L84 vs LT1
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The allegation/implication was that a factory stock L-79 engine was more powerful than a 365/375 engine in stock condition and would run faster/quicker ET's and trap speeds.
That is simply not true and don't change the subject!
"57 Chevys off the showroom floor would probably road test in the high 16's, mid 90's in the quarter. NHRA stocker, last I heard was deep in the 12's. Still "stock" according to their rules.
Compare apples to apples.
That is simply not true and don't change the subject!
"57 Chevys off the showroom floor would probably road test in the high 16's, mid 90's in the quarter. NHRA stocker, last I heard was deep in the 12's. Still "stock" according to their rules.
Compare apples to apples.
Honestly I haven't ran a recent engine build down an actual track in a number of years. So I am with an education and educated guess believing I am solidly in the low 11 seconds, but I have port work, road racing tires/suspension and it isn't set up per se for a drag race run with the 3.55 and Richmond 6spd. If I am only in the 11seconds, then I feel like I might have to work on my tune or I am actually into the solid high 10's and just don't know it!
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Post #2 came back with road test results from two different magazines which compared both of those stock cars.
Post #3 starts taking it downhill with the remark that so and so's L 79 is way faster than either of them.
Later posts talk about rules interpretations, etc. Nothing to do with original rebuttal I made about the comparisons except that they weren't relevant to my comments because my comments were directed to STOCK cars. Not modified.
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We could find out whether I do or I don't when I get it back together with the L 84 in it. I'm about half done.
This picture it ran 12.6/110 with a OTC 340/327. Later had a 327/360 and then a L 84. Later yet, 327/350 as pulled from a wreck. The latter combo, it ran 8.0 flat consistently in the 1/8th.
The second picture is what my short block looked like. I'm pretty sure yours doesn't look quite like that but I'm game for a race anyway.
This picture it ran 12.6/110 with a OTC 340/327. Later had a 327/360 and then a L 84. Later yet, 327/350 as pulled from a wreck. The latter combo, it ran 8.0 flat consistently in the 1/8th.
The second picture is what my short block looked like. I'm pretty sure yours doesn't look quite like that but I'm game for a race anyway.
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Again, my memory may be bad and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
At any rate your car runs real good and I'm not trying to knock it or you.
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Donny, correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that you took Duke's suggestion of an LT-1 solid lifter cam for your build and that the heads were pocket ported as suggested in the Chevy power book. I also remember a few posts by Duke in which he used your car as an example of his strong opinion on the LT-1 cam.
Again, my memory may be bad and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
At any rate your car runs real good and I'm not trying to knock it or you.
Again, my memory may be bad and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
At any rate your car runs real good and I'm not trying to knock it or you.
Mike,
I have some nudies of my motor too, and I assure you, they look just like yours.
I will post tonight.
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Thanks for the correction Donny, I was going on memory and must have confused you with 6T5RUSH.
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And directly related to LT-1's and L-84's, if you don't caught a Billfish
Mike I hate to compliment you, but that is a neat old ride looking car!
Some of the guys on here can tune pretty darn good!
Forget the LT-1/L-84 conversations, some of the participant stories, times and cars and such are more interesting when the difference as stated by one member between an LT-1 and an L-84 would come down to the Driver's ability, they are so close! Both 100mph quarter cars, thus they would be crossing the line dirt stock (no tuning around the 14 second flat to 14 seconds and some change range!
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I'd bet there's more than a handful of L 84 and LT 1 owners in the crowd with factory stock engines and tune that could settle this one real quick if they wanted to get involved. Too many onlookers and not enough posters.
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Bowlerdude,
Yeh, right church, wrong pew, LOL!
Fork in the road...I'm the guy that went right, LT-1 vs. the 30/30....which is a whole 'nuther discussion.
Really enjoying this bench racing session.
Really believe the way Donny's L-79 is setup along with unsaid minor tweaks (no suggestion here Donny of going outside any Pure Stock rules), Donny is able to drive that '66 just a little better than the average L-79 Vette owner can. Again, kudos to your driving ability. Oh, doing this on bias ply tires is really an advantage as they are stickier than radial tires which is how I raced mine.
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Yeh, right church, wrong pew, LOL!
Fork in the road...I'm the guy that went right, LT-1 vs. the 30/30....which is a whole 'nuther discussion.
Really enjoying this bench racing session.
Really believe the way Donny's L-79 is setup along with unsaid minor tweaks (no suggestion here Donny of going outside any Pure Stock rules), Donny is able to drive that '66 just a little better than the average L-79 Vette owner can. Again, kudos to your driving ability. Oh, doing this on bias ply tires is really an advantage as they are stickier than radial tires which is how I raced mine.
Jim
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To break this down!
Are we comparing the Cars or just the engines?
If we are talking bench dyno!
Comparison between the Camshafts, comparison between the Intake Manifold and the Fuelie unit and so on! Etc..
I got off thinking as to why my relative John doesn't bring the Charger over so we can go cruising! And forgot what the thread was for (cars or engine). I guess I will return to Post #1 and answer my own question!
If we are talking bench dyno!
Comparison between the Camshafts, comparison between the Intake Manifold and the Fuelie unit and so on! Etc..
I got off thinking as to why my relative John doesn't bring the Charger over so we can go cruising! And forgot what the thread was for (cars or engine). I guess I will return to Post #1 and answer my own question!
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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...r=10337&page=2
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Scroll down to post #10302. You seem to like this kind of stuff.
This inspired me to drop out of college and get a real job so I could make some money and get what I wanted.
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I don't remember what I called myself on that forum!
This was my inspiration as I couldn't afford a Corvette back then:
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...r=10337&page=2
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Scroll down to post #10302. You seem to like this kind of stuff.
This inspired me to drop out of college and get a real job so I could make some money and get what I wanted.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...r=10337&page=2
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Scroll down to post #10302. You seem to like this kind of stuff.
This inspired me to drop out of college and get a real job so I could make some money and get what I wanted.
Because my actual Race Car 64 Roadster was partially prepped and tuned by Bill Thomas while under former Don Steves sponsorship, I always take an interest in any of that type of stuff and there actually was one mag picture that I didn't have. Bill Thomas's tuned Cars were pretty dominate on the street also. I wrote recently where I had found the Bill Thomas 427 Camaro basically outperformed the DANA Chevrolet 427 Camaro when they both were loaned for testing. Come to think of it, there were a couple of the Cheetahs drag racing back then, and I have never integrated them into my own personal All Time quickest car list (1/4 mile). The All Time fastest car list is for Top Speed and has Bugatti Veyrons and Shelby SSC, 9ff's, Hennessey Venoms, and such on it!
But thanks for the link! Now that I am liking the Supercar Forum again, maybe you guys won't see so much of me for a few weeks!
PS Mike! THUS Trying to get rid of me? THUS I graduated the ateght grade, THUS so don't take me as being that gullible! THUS I learnt 2 reed & wright!
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An 80's guy!
Dead give away, Pertronix (started I think with the Cal Look VW's-- little light diode and a spinning plastic shaft mounted disk with window slots, and we all know when Radials came into the picture after the extinction of the Duck""bill"" Dinosaur! I bet you had a Wink Mirror also! But what a fun period of time! Jamming with your Bon Jovi while eating your Anchovy pizza!
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Yes I know they had ads---->
PS I think I also saw an ad in the early 2000's also! Well they do keep discovering what was thought to have been extinct species!