1959 Dashpad
04-16-2014, 09:44 PM
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1959 Dashpad
I'm having a new dashpad installed by a corvette specialist and I'm questioning an approx. 1" gap in the inside rubber next to the windshield on each side. He said that's the way the reproduction rubber comes. Why? Doesn't make sense to me. Anyone know the answer?
04-16-2014, 11:59 PM
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That is the way the rubber comes. When installing you need to stretch the gasket so that thinner lower part with the skirt is long enough to fill the gap.
04-17-2014, 12:08 AM
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Great! Thanks so much for your answer! So the gap is dependent on the way it's installed. Is it difficult to obtain a zero gap? Will this gap widen over time?
04-17-2014, 05:37 AM
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The rubber is installed incorrectly. I did this one yesterday. It is a Corvette Rubber Co. gasket and Al Knoch dash pad.
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04-17-2014, 07:29 AM
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That rubber piece is installed wrong and it won't be easy to fix I'm afraid...
04-17-2014, 07:40 AM
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There are other issues, Frankie, and it went back into the shop last Tuesday. It appears that after only three weeks the pad pulled away from the windshield in several places. They removed the windshield yesterday but I don't know the verdict. They probably will have to order a new AK dashpad but I wanted to get this straightened out about the gap in the rubber so they can fix it also. I was assured this was a high end shop (I paid enough!), but now I'm beginning to question their "expert" installer.
04-17-2014, 07:45 AM
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The leading edge of that dashpad MUST, repeat MUST not be cut at all and the loose flange glued down INTO the windshield mounting channel or it will pull out and come loose and leave an unsightly gap -- usually later (maybe years) but right away if they really screwed it up.
The first picture is the WRONG way to do it; the next is the RIGHT way.
Frankly, this is the first pad/windshield I EVER installed 7 years ago and it looks better than what your guys are doing if they are Corvette experts than I'm Brad Pitt.
The first picture is the WRONG way to do it; the next is the RIGHT way.
Frankly, this is the first pad/windshield I EVER installed 7 years ago and it looks better than what your guys are doing if they are Corvette experts than I'm Brad Pitt.
04-17-2014, 08:18 AM
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The CRC rubber that your installer is using may be the version that was 3" too long. We had a thread a while ago that talked about this problem.
If it's the correct rubber, I agree the guy did it wrong. If it's the wrong one(too long), it'll have wrinkles in the inside corners of the DP.......
edit..... if he closes the gaps. Regardless, that w/s frame needs to come apart again, maybe a new rubber, and he won't like it, but that's gotta happen.
Who and when bought the rubber, and where?
info here....
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...ip-issues.html
If it's the correct rubber, I agree the guy did it wrong. If it's the wrong one(too long), it'll have wrinkles in the inside corners of the DP.......
edit..... if he closes the gaps. Regardless, that w/s frame needs to come apart again, maybe a new rubber, and he won't like it, but that's gotta happen.
Who and when bought the rubber, and where?
info here....
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...ip-issues.html
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04-17-2014, 01:43 PM
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This place has a good reputation and I know they'll make it right. He said the glue came loose and they're going to use a different adhesive this time and tack it in place as well.
I don't know how long they have had the rubber or where they got it. They said they have done many C1's so I have faith in them.
I don't know how long they have had the rubber or where they got it. They said they have done many C1's so I have faith in them.
04-17-2014, 01:53 PM
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as Frank said, if they don't lap the front edge of the dashpad under the windshield, you WILL have problems later...
i would make sure that you see the pad installation BEFORE they put the windshield back on....
Bill
i would make sure that you see the pad installation BEFORE they put the windshield back on....
Bill
04-17-2014, 02:22 PM
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I understand that in the past they may have not had the problems that some of us had with the mis-sized/too-long w/strip rubber, but frankly, they never should have said...."....that's the way the reproduction rubber comes". It comes that way, but as mentioned it has to be stretched to fit. It has to be measured, stretched, and put on the glass, then the frame is assembled to it. You can't stretch the rubber after the frame is on the glass. Too late then.
I don't have confidence that gluing it to the glass is going to solve the problem. Glue keeps water out, it's not a correction of mis-installation.
If I were you, I would suggest to them they contact CRC and verify it's the latest corrected length rubber. Many of us here had nightmares with the defective rubber. I'd hate to see others continue the nightmares when unnecessary.
The measurements are outlined in the threads in the earlier post. If it is, it was installed wrong. Glue won't cure it. It must be stretched slightly to cover the gap, and will also ensure no wrinkles appear in the corners of the pad. This is outlined in my procedure which has the details. last page.... Here and the follow-on page about how to ensure no WS post gaps or rubber wrinkles exist.
Quite honestly, I've lost confidence that they're '56-'62 savvy, as now the dashpad installation is coming apart. Saying they used the wrong adhesive, and that they're going to "tack" it in, is scary. Don't let them "tack" it.
If they trimmed the front lip of the DP as Frank showed, that pad is unusable.
Rich
1st pic shows the wrong rubber outside the right rubber. It's a 3" difference. Other pics the DP front lip glued up, and the right rubber and how it should look.
I don't have confidence that gluing it to the glass is going to solve the problem. Glue keeps water out, it's not a correction of mis-installation.
If I were you, I would suggest to them they contact CRC and verify it's the latest corrected length rubber. Many of us here had nightmares with the defective rubber. I'd hate to see others continue the nightmares when unnecessary.
The measurements are outlined in the threads in the earlier post. If it is, it was installed wrong. Glue won't cure it. It must be stretched slightly to cover the gap, and will also ensure no wrinkles appear in the corners of the pad. This is outlined in my procedure which has the details. last page.... Here and the follow-on page about how to ensure no WS post gaps or rubber wrinkles exist.
Quite honestly, I've lost confidence that they're '56-'62 savvy, as now the dashpad installation is coming apart. Saying they used the wrong adhesive, and that they're going to "tack" it in, is scary. Don't let them "tack" it.
If they trimmed the front lip of the DP as Frank showed, that pad is unusable.
Rich
1st pic shows the wrong rubber outside the right rubber. It's a 3" difference. Other pics the DP front lip glued up, and the right rubber and how it should look.
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04-17-2014, 04:31 PM
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I understand that in the past they may have not had the problems that some of us had with the mis-sized/too-long w/strip rubber, but frankly, they never should have said...."....that's the way the reproduction rubber comes". It comes that way, but as mentioned it has to be stretched to fit. It has to be measured, stretched, and put on the glass, then the frame is assembled to it. You can't stretch the rubber after the frame is on the glass. Too late then.
I don't have confidence that gluing it to the glass is going to solve the problem. Glue keeps water out, it's not a correction of mis-installation.
If I were you, I would suggest to them they contact CRC and verify it's the latest corrected length rubber. Many of us here had nightmares with the defective rubber. I'd hate to see others continue the nightmares when unnecessary.
The measurements are outlined in the threads in the earlier post. If it is, it was installed wrong. Glue won't cure it. It must be stretched slightly to cover the gap, and will also ensure no wrinkles appear in the corners of the pad. This is outlined in my procedure which has the details. last page.... Here and the follow-on page about how to ensure no WS post gaps or rubber wrinkles exist.
Quite honestly, I've lost confidence that they're '56-'62 savvy, as now the dashpad installation is coming apart. Saying they used the wrong adhesive, and that they're going to "tack" it in, is scary. Don't let them "tack" it.
If they trimmed the front lip of the DP as Frank showed, that pad is unusable.
Rich
1st pic shows the wrong rubber outside the right rubber. It's a 3" difference. Other pics the DP front lip glued up, and the right rubber and how it should look.
I don't have confidence that gluing it to the glass is going to solve the problem. Glue keeps water out, it's not a correction of mis-installation.
If I were you, I would suggest to them they contact CRC and verify it's the latest corrected length rubber. Many of us here had nightmares with the defective rubber. I'd hate to see others continue the nightmares when unnecessary.
The measurements are outlined in the threads in the earlier post. If it is, it was installed wrong. Glue won't cure it. It must be stretched slightly to cover the gap, and will also ensure no wrinkles appear in the corners of the pad. This is outlined in my procedure which has the details. last page.... Here and the follow-on page about how to ensure no WS post gaps or rubber wrinkles exist.
Quite honestly, I've lost confidence that they're '56-'62 savvy, as now the dashpad installation is coming apart. Saying they used the wrong adhesive, and that they're going to "tack" it in, is scary. Don't let them "tack" it.
If they trimmed the front lip of the DP as Frank showed, that pad is unusable.
Rich
1st pic shows the wrong rubber outside the right rubber. It's a 3" difference. Other pics the DP front lip glued up, and the right rubber and how it should look.
BTW, they broke the WS post taking it out and they're sending it out to be repaired. Does that mean they disassembled the windshield frame & can use new rubber?
04-17-2014, 05:11 PM
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NO staples. The pad cannot be pulled up once it's glued. If they are trying to do the edges (under the windshield frame), they need to scuff and clean the "flap", and then use regular contact cement. If it's not scuffed and cleaned, it won't stick. If they are sending out the post to be repaired, make sure that they aren't getting it "welded". It won't hold. There are several vendors that repair the posts with a steel plate that gets machined into the end of the post. About $65 each. Good luck.
Mike Coletta
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