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Old 07-09-2013, 04:31 PM   #1
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Ive searched and and am still confused on the options for this car, is there anyway to tell if its a numbers matching engine? and what it was built with orginally? thanks for your help

Vin is 1943775102817

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you have a 67 coupe with a body build date of November 1, 1966 at St. louis plant. with Black leather seats and all black interior, and black exterior. the cars birthday is November, 2 1966. to me those two dates are too close together. and the trim tag looks like it has been removed from a car. you can see where the drill bit skipped by the rivet. and the rivets on the vin tag are 100% wrong. so that has been removed too. can you tells us more about the car
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Ive searched and and am still confused on the options for this car, is there anyway to tell if its a numbers matching engine? and what it was built with orginally? thanks for your help

Vin is 1943775102817
What's stamped on the machined pad on the block in front of the passenger side cylinder head, what's the block casting number and casting date?

The trim tag says it's a St. Louis-bodied coupe with black paint and black leather seats, body built on November 1st, car produced about November 2nd. However, the trim tag looks like it was made yesterday.

The VIN plate has been off the car, and has been re-installed with the wrong rivets.
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Old 07-09-2013, 04:54 PM   #4
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As Nowhere Man has pointed out, both tags are problematic, both have fresh rivets and for a 1967 VIN tag to not have correct rosette rivets is a huge problem. All those rivets look fresh and that Trim Tag does not appear to be 40+ years old. Any chance you can check the frame VIN number (driver's side rear on top of frame)?
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you have a 67 coupe with a body build date of November 1, 1966 at St. louis plant. with Black leather seats and all black interior, and black exterior. the cars birthday is November, 2 1966. to me those two dates are too close together. and the trim tag looks like it has been removed from a car. you can see where the drill bit skipped by the rivet. and the rivets on the vin tag are 100% wrong. so that has been removed too. can you tells us more about the car
how do you know the cars birthday is november 2, 1966 ?
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how do you know the cars birthday is november 2, 1966 ?
the vin number. John Z has posted on here the birth date is really the pay date for the plant from GM. I am sure he can add more or correct me
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how do you know the cars birthday is november 2, 1966 ?
NCRS "Birthday Book" places that VIN on November 2nd, which works well with the November 1st body build date.
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so John St. Louis bodies build date can be made the day before the cars vin b-day?
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The trim tag is a repo. Compared side by side to an original, the differences are glaring. Must be a coincidence that it's also for the rarest color in 67.
Here's one of several items wrong with the trim tag. Compare the "Y"s.

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The OP's tag -

Enough said.

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so John St. Louis bodies build date can be made the day before the cars vin b-day?
Al Grenning talks about the time frame for delivery of bodies, during his trim tag seminars. It's been a couple years since I last attended one of the seminars, but if I remember correctly, he said that the St. Louis bodies were made in the same plant, and just had to be brought upstairs. As such, I'd think it would be quite possible, that a body was assembled one day, and the car completed a day or two later.

I agree with others here, that the trim tag on the OP's car, looks too new. It sure looks like a repro tag to me. I might not be as quick to question it, if it we were talking about a Daytona Blue 64, but when it's a black 67, that just makes me all the more suspicious.
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I was at one of those seminars about 4 years ago so all the fine details left me. I am with about the fake tag.
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this was on a car i was/am considering purchasing. The car was shown as a 67 427 4 speed car.
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this was on a car i was/am considering purchasing. The car was shown as a 67 427 4 speed car.
Unless you can get it for a sb price run. But then again I would run regardless. I would be curious if you removed a kick panel and found out what the original color was
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i added pictures of the block numbers
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That's only the casting number. In the front of the block there is a machined surface. Post that
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I agree you need to continue to look unless you do not care about buying a real original midyear. I looked for quite a while and finally found my 67 427 - it is a color change, but I do not care as the car is the real deal and known history with the original engine/trans/rear and most other correct parts. If I ever want to have it judged (am not into that), I can repaint, otherwise, I have the best of both worlds, a real 67 427 convertible and currently its red!

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I agree you need to continue to look unless you do not care about buying a real original midyear. I looked for quite a while and finally found my 67 427 - it is a color change, but I do not care as the car is the real deal and known history with the original engine/trans/rear and most other correct parts. If I ever want to have it judged (am not into that), I can repaint, otherwise, I have the best of both worlds, a real 67 427 convertible and currently its red!

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There's nothing wrong with a complete color change. It's when you add a repro tag to match that color change. There is no other reason to add one but to fool someone
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The caliber of guys on this forum is triple AAA rating. I am stunned by and happy how quick BS can be spotted. I have always wanted to trade up my 67 l-79 vert with POP and tank sticker (owned 20 years) with a 67 427 and always balked. I may be glad I did as if I traded my pride and joy for a fake BB, I would jump off a bridge. Thank you all for the dedication to this laborious hobby.

I think the most popular color in 67 was Goodwood Green, the color my car should be, and Black was the rarest. I rarely see any green 67s today. Resale Red.

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so John St. Louis bodies build date can be made the day before the cars vin b-day?
Absolutely! It took about two shifts for a unit to go through the entire system, from the beginning of the Body Shop to the shipping gate. If it started on a Friday, it might not make it until Monday, but if it started first thing in the morning in the Body Shop (7:00 AM), it could reach the shipping gate by the last hour of second shift on that same day.
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The caliber of guys on this forum is triple AAA rating. I am stunned by and happy how quick BS can be spotted. I have always wanted to trade up my 67 l-79 vert with POP and tank sticker (owned 20 years) with a 67 427 and always balked. I may be glad I did as if I traded my pride and joy for a fake BB, I would jump off a bridge. Thank you all for the dedication to this laborious hobby.

I think the most popular color in 67 was Goodwood Green, the color my car should be, and Black was the rarest. I rarely see any green 67s today. Resale Red.
Here is that rare color.
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