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Old 02-24-2012, 09:01 PM
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seams like theres a lot to know about these blocks, I have a machine shop and have seen 10's of thousands of small blocks and never came across one of these. the date code is D ? 6 (2nd number is not clear) the pad stamping is CE6P23780 maybe someone knows how to decifer the stamp also.
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:17 PM
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and the block came from the factory a 4 bolt, not converted by a machine shop.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dkleather
The 512 block in my 64 built Sept.1, 1963 has a casting date of H-18-3 or Aug. 18, 1963. A recent rebuild showed it to be a small journal. It has a blank pad and no CE marking. Since the bore and pistons were original I don't think it had ever been decked. It is date correct for the car so it must have been a service replacement quite soon in the car's use. Dave
That would be 73, not 63.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by topls69
seams like theres a lot to know about these blocks, I have a machine shop and have seen 10's of thousands of small blocks and never came across one of these. the date code is D ? 6 (2nd number is not clear) the pad stamping is CE6P23780 maybe someone knows how to decifer the stamp also.
I agree, these blocks are probably somewhat rare, but they DO exist. I personally can testify to this because I just built a 383 from one for my 51 Chevy. It is dated Jan 77. The hole in the rear of the block permits the use of a road draft tube and early finned alum Vette valve covers WITHOUT any holes!

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Originally Posted by oldskydog
That would be 73, not 63.
Not sure why you say this. It fits the description of a pre-68 engine as described in Post #7 above by DZAuto about the history of the 512. Small journal, two bolt main, no CE on the block pad, rear vent tube, original style steel valve covers. Other posts above also seem to verify my thinking. Could you explain further, please? Dave

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Old 02-25-2012, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by topls69
the date code is D ? 6 (2nd number is not clear) the pad stamping is CE6P23780 maybe someone knows how to decifer the stamp also.
The pad stamp says it was made at Flint V-8 in 1976.
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dkleather
Not sure why you say this. It fits the description of a pre-68 engine as described in Post #7 above by DZAuto about the history of the 512. Small journal, two bolt main, no CE on the block pad, rear vent tube, original style steel valve covers. Other posts above also seem to verify my thinking. Could you explain further, please? Dave

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The 3959512 block casting number did not exist in 63. It began with the CE program in late 68/69 and was for service use only.
The only 327 bock casting in 63 was the 870.
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:07 PM
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I'm not clear on the block differences between one's with road draft holes and those without. Could someone post pictures showing the differences.
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Originally Posted by topls69
Hi guys, I stumbled across a block and was wondering what it was. Im an engine machinist and didnt have a clue as to what this was. I did a google search, and seams like its kind of a rare bird, I founda lot of info on this site. I think I have one thats even more rare. I have a standard 4 inch bore, large journal,with a vent hole and 4 bolt main 3959512 block, it does hace CE on the front pad, I dont know what kind of starting asking price would be reasonable for this block. I also have several other283 and 327 blocks,427 heads and dont know where the best place is to sell this stuff.I prefer to stay away from ebay(just because its a pain) any tips or suggestions would be great, thanks
my 512 327 block is 63 and has small journal forged crank two bolt mains. price i paid two years ago still in crate $1250 less heads and cam shaft ! the selling section on this forum would be best .hearing the words from jim glass I have a 327 crate motor FS were welcome words .
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I have been looking for a 383/400 that would allow me to use the finned valve covers....(looking for a sleeper for my 63)...didnt know this block was what Im looking for.
Whats a decent price for one of these, and is the small journal more desirable for a 340 clone?
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Originally Posted by Fast Jimmy
I'm not clear on the block differences between one's with road draft holes and those without. Could someone post pictures showing the differences.
Thanks, Fast Jimmy
Photo below shows the rear vent hole in the top of the block, and the hole in the rear wall of the lifter valley for the oil separator can; photo is a '65 870 block, and the 512 block is identical. '68-up production blocks didn't have either large hole.
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And, to confuse things more, here is a picture of a 512 block without the breather hole.


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Originally Posted by tach drive 61
my 512 327 block is 63 and has small journal forged crank two bolt mains. price i paid two years ago still in crate $1250 less heads and cam shaft ! the selling section on this forum would be best .hearing the words from jim glass I have a 327 crate motor FS were welcome words .
I give up.
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Originally Posted by rongold
And, to confuse things more, here is a picture of a 512 block without the breather hole.

But it has the cast in pad for the hole. So it could be machined to accept the breather. Later blocks did not have the pad.

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Originally Posted by oldskydog
I give up.
now mine could even be 73 cast with vent hole in rear of block and get this my block accepts a new style filter after removal of canister oil filter adapter. also machine shop that broke it down said it had 0010 block castings inside .I have to get a look at pad ID # and post later on .small journal forged crank two bolt main caps .
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Do you know the casting date? Is it a small journal or large?
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Originally Posted by JohnZ
Yes - they were machined for both SJ and LJ applications.
john you read my CE 4N2977 # when i bought mine . small journal forged crank .it is a 3 cast # on block . 1973 not 63 .but still what was needed .
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:52 PM
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Rongold
Do you know the casting date? Is it a small journal or large?
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No, I just found the picture on the web.
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There is no way to tell small journal from large journal crank w/o removing pan?
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There is a book which described the different blocks including the cranks. I remember comparing my block and the crank and found it was a small journal with a 4577 forged crank. The casting date has "B184". So it has to be from Feb 18th 74 correct? On my bock the pad was grounded down during the machining. Though I remember it had CE as the prefix. It does have the breather and a later style oil filter.

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