C1 & C2 Corvettes General C1 Corvette & C2 Corvette Discussion, Technical Info, Performance Upgrades, Project Builds, Restorations

Question about 427 Authenticity

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-06-2011, 08:19 AM
  #1  
89vette
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
89vette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2000
Location: Murrysville PA
Posts: 2,378
Received 41 Likes on 23 Posts

Default Question about 427 Authenticity

I am going to look at a 1967 400HP Air coupe tomorrow. It is listed to be an early production 67 coupe and states the engine is listed as a 66 but original to the car. Here is what it says:

ENGINE:

This car comes equipped from the factory with a 427/400 hp Tri-Power Engine & Air Conditioning. The Engine is the original numbers matching engine. All of the casting codes and dates are correct. The block casting number: 3869942The block casting date : J66 = October Both Heads are dated J16 = October 1Water Pump is dated J276 = October 27Both exhaust manifolds are dated October Engine was built T1109 = November 9,1966

Does that like it could be correct? It is documented back to the original owner. It was Sunfire yellow and now its black and used to have a Powerglide and now it has a Muncie but he has the original Transmission.

Could this be Legit? It seems logical that the motor would have casting dates from 1966 since it was built in 1966.

Thanks
Old 05-06-2011, 08:24 AM
  #2  
midyearvette
Le Mans Master
Support Corvetteforum!
 
midyearvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2008
Location: columbus oh
Posts: 5,691
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Default

the 942 block could be correct for an early 67.....good luck
Old 05-06-2011, 08:39 AM
  #3  
89vette
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
89vette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2000
Location: Murrysville PA
Posts: 2,378
Received 41 Likes on 23 Posts

Default

Thank you. It seems logical since the car was built in December that it would have an October 66 casting date.
Old 05-06-2011, 08:51 AM
  #4  
gbvette62
Race Director
 
gbvette62's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2000
Location: Shamong, NJ
Posts: 11,153
Received 2,064 Likes on 1,338 Posts

Default

A 67 built in 66, would have to have parts made in 66. There's no way for parts to be dated after the build date of the car, and still be original to that car.
Old 05-06-2011, 09:28 AM
  #5  
rongold
Drifting
 
rongold's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: Putnam Valley, New York. Amateur Radio Operator K2NS
Posts: 1,956
Received 165 Likes on 118 Posts

Default Authencity

What you need to find out is when the first 3904351 block was cast. November 66 is not that early. Back then cars were introduced in September, and I believe new production was started in August, so I think your early November engine build should be a 3904351 block. I'm sure there are a few people on here with September and October engine build dates---Let's see what casting # block is in their cars.


RON
Old 05-06-2011, 10:04 AM
  #6  
BLee
Burning Brakes
 
BLee's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2006
Location: Pasadena TX
Posts: 835
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

I have an early Nov 66 car. The engine isn't the original but the VINs of this block and my car were reasonably close. It is a #351 block with a Sept casting date and a late Sept build date.
Old 05-06-2011, 10:16 AM
  #7  
Powershift
Race Director
 
Powershift's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2005
Location: Luling Louisiana
Posts: 10,463
Received 1,681 Likes on 1,307 Posts

Default

Block should be a "351".

Larry

EDIT: From the latest NCRS Judging Manual for 1967 Model Year: "The casting number 3869942 is correct for approximately the first 200 cars, which is a carry-over of 1966 production. The most common number is 3904351. The casting number3916321 is possible on approximately the last 100 cars."

What is the VIN #??. The first few hundred cars were built during the last week of August and first few weeks of September.

A car built after November 9, 1966 would have a VIN of around 4000 - 5000.

Last edited by Powershift; 05-06-2011 at 10:39 AM.
Old 05-06-2011, 10:46 AM
  #8  
SupremeDeluxe
Safety Car
 
SupremeDeluxe's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2006
Location: Itasca IL
Posts: 3,840
Received 849 Likes on 475 Posts
2015 C2 of Year Finalist

Default

My L-36 car was built 11/22/66. It's original 351 block was cast 8/31/66 (H316) and I believe (going off memory) the engine build was 10/28/66 (will verify). Hope this helps.
Old 05-06-2011, 11:29 AM
  #9  
89vette
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
89vette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2000
Location: Murrysville PA
Posts: 2,378
Received 41 Likes on 23 Posts

Default

I'll see what the VIN is. So the fact that this car was built in December suggest that it should NOT have a 942 block but rather a 951 block? If a block cast in August was a 351 block, how could this be cast in October and be a 942 block? Am I missing something here?
Old 05-06-2011, 11:32 AM
  #10  
Mike Ward
Race Director
 
Mike Ward's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2001
Posts: 15,892
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 28 Posts

Default

I'd really scrutinize the casting date. Counterfeited dates made from metal filings and JB Weld are not unknown.
Old 05-06-2011, 12:54 PM
  #11  
1lildog
Instructor
 
1lildog's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2009
Location: Pace FL
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

My 400: Nov 01, 1966 3904351
Old 05-06-2011, 01:18 PM
  #12  
midyearvette
Le Mans Master
Support Corvetteforum!
 
midyearvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2008
Location: columbus oh
Posts: 5,691
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 1lildog
My 400: Nov 01, 1966 3904351
uh oh!.........
Old 05-06-2011, 02:17 PM
  #13  
JohnZ
Team Owner

Support Corvetteforum!
 
JohnZ's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2000
Location: Washington Michigan
Posts: 38,899
Received 1,859 Likes on 1,102 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 89vette
I'll see what the VIN is. So the fact that this car was built in December suggest that it should NOT have a 942 block but rather a 951 block? If a block cast in August was a 351 block, how could this be cast in October and be a 942 block? Am I missing something here?
That car was not born with a 942 block; it had a 351 block originally, which has been replaced.

The "T1109" is only part of the engine plant stamp - what's the 2-character suffix after the 1109? Got a close-up photo of the stamp pad? If it has the car's VIN derivative on it, someone's re-stamped it.
Old 05-06-2011, 03:55 PM
  #14  
Vetterway
Racer
 
Vetterway's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2008
Location: Grafton Wisconsin
Posts: 387
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post

Default Tank Sticker

Interesting thread - thanks. If I could ask a question please - is there any way the tank sticker tells what is the block number? My tank sticker for a '67 shows an option number "02L68AA" CONV 390 to 400HP. Of course this says it is an L68, but does that correlate to a 3904351 block? Or does the build date then assure that has to be a ...351 block? (Build date October 26, 1966) Thanks.

Vetterway
Old 05-06-2011, 04:45 PM
  #15  
JohnZ
Team Owner

Support Corvetteforum!
 
JohnZ's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2000
Location: Washington Michigan
Posts: 38,899
Received 1,859 Likes on 1,102 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Vetterway
Interesting thread - thanks. If I could ask a question please - is there any way the tank sticker tells what is the block number? My tank sticker for a '67 shows an option number "02L68AA" CONV 390 to 400HP. Of course this says it is an L68, but does that correlate to a 3904351 block? Or does the build date then assure that has to be a ...351 block? (Build date October 26, 1966) Thanks.

Vetterway
Nothing on the tank sticker will tell you what the block casting number was, although you can deduce it by when the car was built; if it was built after the middle of September, it had a 351 block.
Old 05-06-2011, 06:23 PM
  #16  
bb62
Safety Car
 
bb62's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,938
Likes: 0
Received 361 Likes on 216 Posts

Default

For reference, I have a December 66 built 67 435.
Block casting - 3904351
Assembly stamping - T1011JE
VIN stamping - 7105304
Casting Date - H296
Old 05-06-2011, 06:59 PM
  #17  
snydes
Pro
 
snydes's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2003
Location: Pine Grove PA
Posts: 570
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

The block casting date must have been tampered with.

Get notified of new replies

To Question about 427 Authenticity

Old 05-06-2011, 08:41 PM
  #18  
ny69ssdave
Instructor
 
ny69ssdave's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2007
Location: West Clarksville New York
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I dont mean to butt in, But My book says that a 942 block was installed in early 67 427 cars, and it has been found in as late as car number, 7115073 which is a 435hp car
Old 05-06-2011, 09:29 PM
  #19  
provette67
Le Mans Master
 
provette67's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2002
Location: Kirtland Ohio
Posts: 5,346
Received 707 Likes on 385 Posts

Default

more to think about.I had an original motor '66 390hp car that was built the last day of production in '66.It had a "351" block in it.I would bet that there were no 942 blocks with a casting date of Oct.66.There was no longer a need to make them for a few months already.
Old 05-06-2011, 09:51 PM
  #20  
67*427
Burning Brakes
Support Corvetteforum!
 
67*427's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2008
Location: Magnolia Texas
Posts: 850
Received 49 Likes on 41 Posts

Default

Here's my data on the 3151th car built on or about November '66:

D07 ........... November 7
67 467 ........ 1967 Convertable
972 ........... Ermine White
407 ........... Red Vinyl Interior
S1630 ......... 1630th St. Louis Body

Engine Casting:
3904351 ....... 67 Corvette

Engine Casting Date:
J 18 6 ........ October 18, 1966

Engine Pad Stamp: (See note below)
TI072IL ....... Tonawanda, October 27, (mistake in stamping), L36, 390 HP, 1x4BC, Spec.Cam, Hyd. Lifters & 4-Speed

Cylinder Heads:
3904390 ....... 427ci, 390hp, 400hp (early production)

Cylinder Head Casting Dates:
Left: J 12 6 October 12, 1966
Right: J 24 6 October 24, 1966

Intake Manifold:
Casting# 3866948
Date: H206 - September 20, 1966

Hope that adds to the available data.

Steve


Quick Reply: Question about 427 Authenticity



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:21 PM.