Originally Posted by 1955 copper

John Z Thank you!
One more question = NCRS allows "A" different engine to be restamped but you loose a few points as long it's the same HP engine or size engine the Corvette can with ! Is that correct? And thanks again

Originally Posted by Mike Ward

Why not join the NCRS and ask all your questions there since it seems to interest you?

Ohh sorry, didn't realize who was asking.

Originally Posted by Mike Ward

Note that a bogus VIN tag will also cause judging to cease but a State issued VIN is acceptable without penalty.

Originally Posted by tuxnharley

What purpose did your comment serve...............other than to try to make yourself feel better and attempt to put someone else down ?

Originally Posted by tuxnharley

What purpose did your comment serve...............other than to try to make yourself feel better and attempt to put someone else down ?

Originally Posted by Mike Ward

How did I 'put someone else down'? Roy chose to leave the NCRS of his own free will. The door is still open if he wishes to rejoin.

Are you just trying to 'make yourself feel better' by 'putting me down'?

Originally Posted by Mike Ward

Now we're on the same page.

The 'technology' now exists to ferret out bogus trim tags on C2s and it is now a standard part of Flight Judging sessions. The significance of this should not be underrated for two reasons-

1) it is the sole component of a car that is evaluated for 'factory authenticity'. All other components are merely evaluated for being 'typical factory production'. Big, big difference.

2) it is the sole component of a car that can cause it to be ineligible for further judging at that meet or at future meets.

Why so harsh? Trim tags are not a consumable 'wear' item. An engine might have been overhauled and decked in it's past but would still be the original. There's no similar excuse for one tag to be removed and another put in it's place. It's unfortunate that those cars that have legitimately lost their tag at some time in their past (C3s have a big problem in this respect) get caught in this situation.

Note that a bogus VIN tag will also cause judging to cease but a State issued VIN is acceptable without penalty.

Perhaps some day documentation will become available to determine which cars came from the factory as 427/435s, and technology will exist to see whether an engine case is the original one fitted to a particular car. My guess is that the judging standards will be raised to meet that and transgress from 'typical of factory production' to 'factory authentic'.

This goes back to the original question way up above about the eBay auction. The seller of the tags makes the claim that documents are now available specifying the factory configuration of the car, so it is now possible to get a correct bogus tag made. I would think that people in TX that makes these things would get their facts straight. Risking another big fat punch in the nose on the judging field doesn't sound like fun to me.

Originally Posted by 4440stevesvette

Plastic Pig--- I would still LOVE to own your '57 race car. I'm still beating myself over the head for not bidding on it. You are a lucky son of a gun, I envy you!!!!

Originally Posted by 1955 copper

That's a great question , I suppose he thinks I'm a bad person because I left NCRS and was member #182 . He's made up his mind that I'm not worth any time, because of what he's heard about me in NCRS even tho I was never given the chance to tell members my side of the story and removed from their forum. Anyway he is one of the reasons I did leave

Originally Posted by AZDoug

What if you have both a repop VIN tag with correct frame matching SN and a state issued VIN with correct frame matching SN??

What about non correct style dealer replacement VIN tags,affixed long ago?

Doug?

Originally Posted by 32361ARTHUR

The statement that "The 'technology' now exists to ferret out bogus trim tags on C2s and it is now a standard part of Flight Judging sessions." is not 100% true. The technology has got better but it is not foolproof and you are just kidding yourself if you think that no fake tags will get past the NCRS judges.

Originally Posted by Easy Rider 1

Plastic Pig: Your avatar is offensive to all Americans who respect the Office of the Presidency, no matter who is in that office. I wish you would change it. It has no place here. Its offensive and disrespectful, no matter your political leanings.

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man

the tool used in the judging process is pretty spot on. it also helps to have a keen eye. a black car with red interior car is going to make you look harder then a green on black car. have you ever judged or taken a car though the process.

Originally Posted by Mike Ward

Roy- as member #182 and as active as you were in the NCRS, you know better than most the answers to your judging own questions above. Why play 'ignorant' and pretend you don't know?

Why drag out your worn old story (again) of how you got yourself suspended from judging events and kicked off the NCRS board? What's that got to do with this topic of trim tags?

Never mind- I just answered my own question.

Originally Posted by 1955 copper

In the last 25 years I've been to a NCRS meet 4 times and judging has changed ( so I'm not up on any new changes )

As fare as this old story as you put it , how would you feel if you could not tell your side of an event.(would you be just a "little" upset??) I think you would!

I've seen here that there are quit a few people that don't like your statements on other questions , I don't know you or ever met you and I don't dislike you ,because you have the right to your opinion. I just don't understand your attitude towards me. I just asks a question and you were kind to answer it , then on the second question you got attitude when you saw my handle.