Sta-bil ethanol ??
04-02-2011, 10:46 AM
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04-02-2011, 11:08 AM
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The reason that I thought about using it is I read a news story the other day about a VW diesel that had algae growing thru the entire fuel system caused by ethanol in the fuel that had not been treated by the owner resulting in $12,500 that VW was not going to cover .
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04-02-2011, 11:12 AM
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The reason that I thought about using it is I read a news story the other day about a VW diesel that had algae growing thru the entire fuel system caused by ethanol in the fuel that had not been treated by the owner resulting in $12,500 that VW was not going to cover .
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04-02-2011, 11:22 AM
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"I think that is supposed to treat your fuel system to remove the bad stuff in ethanol."
The most effective means by which to treat your fuel system to remove the bad stuff in ethanol is to remove the crooked lizards in Washington DC who are trading support for the destructive liquid in return for votes from corn producers, much as Gore admitted to not long ago.
The most effective means by which to treat your fuel system to remove the bad stuff in ethanol is to remove the crooked lizards in Washington DC who are trading support for the destructive liquid in return for votes from corn producers, much as Gore admitted to not long ago.
04-02-2011, 11:50 AM
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Mike,
It has a little demulsifier in it to separate water. Ethanol and most other alcohols are 'hydroscorbic', it attracts and holds water. That is why the alcohol in your beer does not separate even though they are different density.
As John said it is marketing.
Joe
It has a little demulsifier in it to separate water. Ethanol and most other alcohols are 'hydroscorbic', it attracts and holds water. That is why the alcohol in your beer does not separate even though they are different density.
As John said it is marketing.
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04-02-2011, 12:31 PM
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04-02-2011, 12:41 PM
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I know what Stabil is. I don't know what Stabil Ethanol is.
If you want to get moisture/water content out of your E-10 gasoline, use gas line anti-freeze or small amounts of methanol. That will remove it. Or so I have been told by my marine dealer. I have used it with success in some of my small engines.
If that Stabil Ethanol contains an additive (methanol) that will combine water/ethanol and gasoline and allow it to be pulled through the in small concentrations, then it would be a help.
There is a known problem with E-10/gasoline forming a gell like substance that will plug your fuel system. From what I've read, that gel is caused by the binding of the water/ethanol and dropping from suspension in the gasoline.
This gel seems to be predominately seem in marine applications, small engines and other where the fuel systems aren't sealed well or the gasoline put in the tank has not been stored in a sealed container.
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04-02-2011, 04:57 PM
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Mike, I did not say specifically as i should have, the MSDS sheet on Stabil Ethanol list an amine that is the demulsifier to separate the ethanol and water. The straight Stabil does not.
The ethanol/water gel is not as likely to form with the amine demulsifier in it . All fuel gasoline, diesel etc. will over time form some gels (polymers, old fashion 'varnish').
This water-etahnol (and other normal contaminates) makes gels that looks like strawberry Jello.
Now, the water is in very small amounts, less than 100-200 ppm. but, it is dispersed through out the tank and causes no problem. Water collects in all storage tanks, a big terminal tank of gasoline can have few inches or couple of feet of water in the bottom. The gasoline floating on the top will have this 200 ppm of water dispersed.
If the temperature lowers from ambient 70 F to 33F the gasoline will hold or disperse only 50 ppm of water. The remaining 150 ppm is now FREE water that collects in larger droplets that will demulsify (drop out) to bottom of the tank (1 million gallon storage or 18 gal in Corvette.
The methanol attracts water just like ethanol, but will not readily gel. But, it keeps the 200 ppm of water dispersed (tiny, almost weightless water) . So, even if the temperature goes to -20F, it will not freeze the lines. That is why you dump a can of methanol in the tank in the winter in Indiana.
The Stabil or even Stabil Ethanol is great stuff for chain saws, standby generators, etc. But, for cars that are drive even a few times a year, probably no need.
The ethanol/water gel is not as likely to form with the amine demulsifier in it . All fuel gasoline, diesel etc. will over time form some gels (polymers, old fashion 'varnish').
This water-etahnol (and other normal contaminates) makes gels that looks like strawberry Jello.
Now, the water is in very small amounts, less than 100-200 ppm. but, it is dispersed through out the tank and causes no problem. Water collects in all storage tanks, a big terminal tank of gasoline can have few inches or couple of feet of water in the bottom. The gasoline floating on the top will have this 200 ppm of water dispersed.
If the temperature lowers from ambient 70 F to 33F the gasoline will hold or disperse only 50 ppm of water. The remaining 150 ppm is now FREE water that collects in larger droplets that will demulsify (drop out) to bottom of the tank (1 million gallon storage or 18 gal in Corvette.
The methanol attracts water just like ethanol, but will not readily gel. But, it keeps the 200 ppm of water dispersed (tiny, almost weightless water) . So, even if the temperature goes to -20F, it will not freeze the lines. That is why you dump a can of methanol in the tank in the winter in Indiana.
The Stabil or even Stabil Ethanol is great stuff for chain saws, standby generators, etc. But, for cars that are drive even a few times a year, probably no need.
I assumed, maybe wrongly, the OP was making a product distinction between "Stabil" and Stabil Ethanol".
I know what Stabil is. I don't know what Stabil Ethanol is.
If you want to get moisture/water content out of your E-10 gasoline, use gas line anti-freeze or small amounts of methanol. That will remove it. Or so I have been told by my marine dealer. I have used it with success in some of my small engines.
If that Stabil Ethanol contains an additive (methanol) that will combine water/ethanol and gasoline and allow it to be pulled through the in small concentrations, then it would be a help.
There is a known problem with E-10/gasoline forming a gell like substance that will plug your fuel system. From what I've read, that gel is caused by the binding of the water/ethanol and dropping from suspension in the gasoline.
This gel seems to be predominately seem in marine applications, small engines and other where the fuel systems aren't sealed well or the gasoline put in the tank has not been stored in a sealed container.
I know what Stabil is. I don't know what Stabil Ethanol is.
If you want to get moisture/water content out of your E-10 gasoline, use gas line anti-freeze or small amounts of methanol. That will remove it. Or so I have been told by my marine dealer. I have used it with success in some of my small engines.
If that Stabil Ethanol contains an additive (methanol) that will combine water/ethanol and gasoline and allow it to be pulled through the in small concentrations, then it would be a help.
There is a known problem with E-10/gasoline forming a gell like substance that will plug your fuel system. From what I've read, that gel is caused by the binding of the water/ethanol and dropping from suspension in the gasoline.
This gel seems to be predominately seem in marine applications, small engines and other where the fuel systems aren't sealed well or the gasoline put in the tank has not been stored in a sealed container.
04-02-2011, 05:46 PM
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Old Cars Weekly recently had an article about ethanaol fuel and the tendency for it to suffer from "Phase Shift" or otherwise - just break down over time. The water absorbed by the ethanol, the eithanol and the gas alll come out of solution and stratify with the water on bottom, and supposedly they can't be re-mixed. Stabil Ethanol supposed helps prevent this as mentioned above.
04-02-2011, 06:46 PM
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That would be my thinking also. I have had good experience from using the Stabil in small engines. I've never tried and never heard of Stabil Ethanol until today.
04-02-2011, 06:49 PM
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Old Cars Weekly recently had an article about ethanaol fuel and the tendency for it to suffer from "Phase Shift" or otherwise - just break down over time. The water absorbed by the ethanol, the eithanol and the gas alll come out of solution and stratify with the water on bottom, and supposedly they can't be re-mixed. Stabil Ethanol supposed helps prevent this as mentioned above.
04-02-2011, 07:03 PM
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When we moved to MN from FL 6 years ago, my wife began putting her Eclipse Turbo Spyder in storage for 6 months of the year. When we took the car out of storage the first 2 years, we had problems with the injectors. Our mechanic (who, BTW, owns a very nicely restored '67 Camero) recommended that she start using non-oxygenated gasoline. She has to drive to the next town to get non-oxygenated gas but she only puts about 800 miles a year on the car so it's not a big deal. Now, each fall before she puts her car away, I add Sta-bil to the tank and tell her to get it topped up with her non-oxygenated gas. Since starting to do that, we haven't had any problems in the Spring when we bring the car out of storage. Don't know if the difference is the non-oxygenated gas, the Sta-bil, or both.
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04-02-2011, 07:51 PM
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"I think that is supposed to treat your fuel system to remove the bad stuff in ethanol."
The most effective means by which to treat your fuel system to remove the bad stuff in ethanol is to remove the crooked lizards in Washington DC who are trading support for the destructive liquid in return for votes from corn producers, much as Gore admitted to not long ago.
The most effective means by which to treat your fuel system to remove the bad stuff in ethanol is to remove the crooked lizards in Washington DC who are trading support for the destructive liquid in return for votes from corn producers, much as Gore admitted to not long ago.
04-02-2011, 08:06 PM
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