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12-22-2010, 01:20 PM
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Contact Cambridge Engineering in St. Louis. They have excellent ventless units.
12-22-2010, 05:36 PM
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I have a Mitsubishi Mr. Slim, and it works great....plus you have AC in the summer. Takes up hardly no space inside. No venting required, and unit outside is very quiet, efficient, and small. Very cheap to operate also!!
12-22-2010, 06:49 PM
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I have a reznor nat. gas heater also, they work well and have a power vent to exhaust gasses outside, you need to get rid of the gas as it is CO or carbon monoxide and you don't want to be working in that stuff. You can also gas the room above the garage!
12-22-2010, 09:27 PM
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I think you are going about this the wrong way. Whatever system you install "to keep the chill out of your garage" and to help heat the upstairs is a huge waste of money. Your time and money will be better spent insulating the garage better if you can, (especially the ceiling) and just getting a small heater that attaches to a propane tank to heat up the garage or some kerosene heaters when you want to work out there.
I live in Vermont and it gets very cold in the winter. I have 2 kerosun type kerosene heaters that will heat up my 26x26 2 story insulated garage to 80 if I want to when its 10 degrees out. I have a small propane heater that attaches to a tank if I just want a blast of heat for working out there for a short time. The other options are expensive and unnecessary if you insulate more. I also have a ventless propane fireplace in my house and the moisture and "indoor pollution" problems are bunk. All propane and natural gas produce moisture, and even so, I have not had any mositure problems because its so dry here in the winter. The ventless ones are so efficient, they produces less indoor pollution than the vented ones. Good luck
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I live in Vermont and it gets very cold in the winter. I have 2 kerosun type kerosene heaters that will heat up my 26x26 2 story insulated garage to 80 if I want to when its 10 degrees out. I have a small propane heater that attaches to a tank if I just want a blast of heat for working out there for a short time. The other options are expensive and unnecessary if you insulate more. I also have a ventless propane fireplace in my house and the moisture and "indoor pollution" problems are bunk. All propane and natural gas produce moisture, and even so, I have not had any mositure problems because its so dry here in the winter. The ventless ones are so efficient, they produces less indoor pollution than the vented ones. Good luck
John
12-22-2010, 11:26 PM
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6850Mike,
Like JohnZ and others here I too have a REZNOR. Mine's a 60,000 BTU and it is overkill for my 2 1/2 car attached garage. Mine's vented through my hip roof ranch. I'm sure horizontal venting can work in your setup. Definitely you need to insulate the garage.
Here's some pics of my set up. Has it's own thermostat. My garage is 15 degrees warmer than the outside temp. In 15 to 20 minutes I can raise a 40 degree temp in the garage to 65 degrees. Really works well. I'm in my t-shirt working very comfortably. I do have insulated walls on 2 sides and a HAAS R14 insulated roll up door. I am lacking in the ceiling insulation. I also have the floor epoxy coated which tends to eliminate moisture coming up from the concrete. This REZNOR does vent out and is an electronic ignition type. During the summer it has a fan only feature that does work well to move air around on those warm days.
My unit ran me $600. from FLEABAY delivered to my door. I had a pro run a gas line to my garage and my sons and I vented her through the roof. I've got about $950 total in this setup.
Good luck in your choices.
Regards,
Jim
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Like JohnZ and others here I too have a REZNOR. Mine's a 60,000 BTU and it is overkill for my 2 1/2 car attached garage. Mine's vented through my hip roof ranch. I'm sure horizontal venting can work in your setup. Definitely you need to insulate the garage.
Here's some pics of my set up. Has it's own thermostat. My garage is 15 degrees warmer than the outside temp. In 15 to 20 minutes I can raise a 40 degree temp in the garage to 65 degrees. Really works well. I'm in my t-shirt working very comfortably. I do have insulated walls on 2 sides and a HAAS R14 insulated roll up door. I am lacking in the ceiling insulation. I also have the floor epoxy coated which tends to eliminate moisture coming up from the concrete. This REZNOR does vent out and is an electronic ignition type. During the summer it has a fan only feature that does work well to move air around on those warm days.
My unit ran me $600. from FLEABAY delivered to my door. I had a pro run a gas line to my garage and my sons and I vented her through the roof. I've got about $950 total in this setup.
Good luck in your choices.
Regards,
Jim
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12-23-2010, 12:07 AM
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I used to have a large (hanging) 220 electric heater.
That thing would really suck up the juice and it barely got my garage to 55 degrees on the coldest days.
My neighbor has a ventless gas heater, maybe it's to small but it doesn't do the job.
I would try to figure out a way to run a vent.
I bought this Reznor and never looked back.
70 degrees in about 15 minutes.
That thing would really suck up the juice and it barely got my garage to 55 degrees on the coldest days.
My neighbor has a ventless gas heater, maybe it's to small but it doesn't do the job.
I would try to figure out a way to run a vent.
I bought this Reznor and never looked back.
70 degrees in about 15 minutes.
Where the large 12' garage door is where its heated.
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12-23-2010, 12:22 AM
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I use a gas Rocket heater I wait until it gets real hot in there and then turn it off. Cheap nasty and if you stand in front of it you will burn to death LOL. It's a ripper ! Stewy
12-23-2010, 12:23 AM
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I have a section of garage that is 18'X54' that is my working section. In that area I also have a Reznor 75K BTU propane heater in the far upper corner with the thermostat in the middle of the garage. Looks just like the one 6t5rush has! Garage and entire structure is totally insulated with even an insulated garage door and interior dividing wall. I just keep it mid 50's so its comfortable to work in. I'd do it again and of course its vented. Another key point is since we have a 12'4" ceiling height I added two ceiling fans to pull the heat off the ceiling, and use to keep cooler during the summer.
Where the large 12' garage door is where its heated.
Where the large 12' garage door is where its heated.
12-23-2010, 06:40 AM
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Ducting from your home system is prohibited by most local codes due to the risk of CO from the garage being introduced into the home air makeup system.
Ventless gas heaters are also prohibited by most local codes due to CO concerns (in addition to the moisture issue).
If you can't vent a system, your best bet is an electric heater, but it will use a LOT of 240V power.
A forced-air gas heater with a power vent is really the best (and most economical) solution if you can find a way to vent it outside; most of them now use a double-concentric vent pipe so it also draws makeup air from outside.
I have a Reznor 125,000-BTU power-vented forced-air gas unit heater with electronic ignition (no pilot flame) which heats my 2500-sq. ft. super-insulated (R-26 walls, R-58 ceiling, custom insulated doors, and insulation under the epoxy-coated slab) attached garage with no problem; turns out it's overkill due to the insulation, and a 75K or 100K unit would have done the job with no problem.
Ventless gas heaters are also prohibited by most local codes due to CO concerns (in addition to the moisture issue).
If you can't vent a system, your best bet is an electric heater, but it will use a LOT of 240V power.
A forced-air gas heater with a power vent is really the best (and most economical) solution if you can find a way to vent it outside; most of them now use a double-concentric vent pipe so it also draws makeup air from outside.
I have a Reznor 125,000-BTU power-vented forced-air gas unit heater with electronic ignition (no pilot flame) which heats my 2500-sq. ft. super-insulated (R-26 walls, R-58 ceiling, custom insulated doors, and insulation under the epoxy-coated slab) attached garage with no problem; turns out it's overkill due to the insulation, and a 75K or 100K unit would have done the job with no problem.
My friend owns a big heating business, this was his suggestion and after two earlier remedies this is the best answer, no question.
I'm in NJ and there's nothing worse than going out to a garage where you're freezing. I would recommend this to anyone. If you live near me you could come by to see it.
12-23-2010, 05:04 PM
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Thanks Jeff, Stewy, and Jim!
It is my dream garage for sure. Amazing how they fill up don't you know
It is my dream garage for sure. Amazing how they fill up don't you know
12-25-2010, 08:03 AM
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Hey Chicago Pete, you have my heater and also my car lift??? Thats not my car though!!! Mines a Coupe.. Merry Christmas!!!
Dave
Dave
6850Mike,
Like JohnZ and others here I too have a REZNOR. Mine's a 60,000 BTU and it is overkill for my 2 1/2 car attached garage. Mine's vented through my hip roof ranch. I'm sure horizontal venting can work in your setup. Definitely you need to insulate the garage.
Here's some pics of my set up. Has it's own thermostat. My garage is 15 degrees warmer than the outside temp. In 15 to 20 minutes I can raise a 40 degree temp in the garage to 65 degrees. Really works well. I'm in my t-shirt working very comfortably. I do have insulated walls on 2 sides and a HAAS R14 insulated roll up door. I am lacking in the ceiling insulation. I also have the floor epoxy coated which tends to eliminate moisture coming up from the concrete. This REZNOR does vent out and is an electronic ignition type. During the summer it has a fan only feature that does work well to move air around on those warm days.
My unit ran me $600. from FLEABAY delivered to my door. I had a pro run a gas line to my garage and my sons and I vented her through the roof. I've got about $950 total in this setup.
Good luck in your choices.
Regards,
Jim
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Like JohnZ and others here I too have a REZNOR. Mine's a 60,000 BTU and it is overkill for my 2 1/2 car attached garage. Mine's vented through my hip roof ranch. I'm sure horizontal venting can work in your setup. Definitely you need to insulate the garage.
Here's some pics of my set up. Has it's own thermostat. My garage is 15 degrees warmer than the outside temp. In 15 to 20 minutes I can raise a 40 degree temp in the garage to 65 degrees. Really works well. I'm in my t-shirt working very comfortably. I do have insulated walls on 2 sides and a HAAS R14 insulated roll up door. I am lacking in the ceiling insulation. I also have the floor epoxy coated which tends to eliminate moisture coming up from the concrete. This REZNOR does vent out and is an electronic ignition type. During the summer it has a fan only feature that does work well to move air around on those warm days.
My unit ran me $600. from FLEABAY delivered to my door. I had a pro run a gas line to my garage and my sons and I vented her through the roof. I've got about $950 total in this setup.
Good luck in your choices.
Regards,
Jim
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12-25-2010, 09:28 AM
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I investigated this possibility at my new house in Florida. You can "do it yourself", but you won't find any licensed contractor to do it.
BAD idea.
That's what I just did, at the end of last summer. The Mitsubishi Mr. Slim is a great system. JUST as the installation was completed, it turned cool, then COLD in Florida, so the first feature I used was the heat, NOT the AC.
I'm up in Maryland now, and have no access to the specs, but I can say it cost approximately $3500.00 for the system and the installation.
Interesting point. I didn't consider heat originally, just AC. After thinking about it, I called the contractor before the installation and asked about adding heat.
Cost was an additonal $177.00 to add heat.
NO BRAINER. GLAD I did it.My attached 3 car garage is 36 x 28 x 12. One bay is cathedral'ed for my 4 post lift, so that adds a bit to the cubic feet.
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12-25-2010, 01:28 PM
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65specialk,
I'm not ChicagoPete but you quoted me. Regardless, sounds like we went to different schools together LOL!!
A MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and yours and a HEALTHY NEW YEAR!
Oh yeh, post up some pics of that bad boy of yours (just a small off-topic from this post dontcha' think, HA!).
Jim
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I'm not ChicagoPete but you quoted me. Regardless, sounds like we went to different schools together LOL!!
A MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and yours and a HEALTHY NEW YEAR!
Oh yeh, post up some pics of that bad boy of yours (just a small off-topic from this post dontcha' think, HA!).
Jim
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12-25-2010, 09:04 PM
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I have a low cost approach with a $200 kerosene space heater. My 4 car garage never goes below freezing, and if it's 20 outside it's about 40 inside. It is fully insulated. I fire up the heater on Saturday morning, and 2 or 3 hours later it's up to 50, which is fine for me in a sweatshirt. I do crack a window to let in some fresh air. At the end of the day I shut it off.
12-26-2010, 05:19 AM
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I have a low cost approach with a $200 kerosene space heater. My 4 car garage never goes below freezing, and if it's 20 outside it's about 40 inside. It is fully insulated. I fire up the heater on Saturday morning, and 2 or 3 hours later it's up to 50, which is fine for me in a sweatshirt. I do crack a window to let in some fresh air. At the end of the day I shut it off.
Worked well, BUT there were 2 major problems.
One was the noise from the darn thing.
The second was the kerosene smell.
Being that it was an attached garage, the smell would permeate the whole house. Mrs. Chuck would NOT be happy.
I never used a radiant type kerosene heater, so I can't comment on that.
K1 kerosene was pretty foul smelling, but if I used diesel fuel, the smell was overbearing, and it would also burn my eyeballs.
Chuck
12-26-2010, 06:38 AM
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I just went thru this last year...on my 20 x40 shop extension. (my front shop has an electric furnace and 5 ton a/c unit)
I spent a bunch of time considering about everything made...
I finally decided on a propane 75,000 btu horizontal attic furnace that I found new (old stock) on Craigs list...($75) Mounted it like the Reznors, etc. John Z and others did in the ceiling corner.
I've had a shop of some kind for 42 years...and all kinds of torpedo heaters, radiant heaters, electric heaters, propane home made stove pipe heaters. waste oil heaters..you name it. Some poor boy junk and some high dollar bigger junk. So I was determined to to do it better than all the other experiments...
This 75,000 btu heater will bring it from 35/40 degrees to t-shirt comfortable in 25 minutes. It doesn't come on often and isn't smelly or noisy. I guarantee I'll never install anything else. Gas heat is hard to beat IMHO....and much cheaper to operate than my front shop electric furnace.
Good luck..Stan
I spent a bunch of time considering about everything made...
I finally decided on a propane 75,000 btu horizontal attic furnace that I found new (old stock) on Craigs list...($75) Mounted it like the Reznors, etc. John Z and others did in the ceiling corner.
I've had a shop of some kind for 42 years...and all kinds of torpedo heaters, radiant heaters, electric heaters, propane home made stove pipe heaters. waste oil heaters..you name it. Some poor boy junk and some high dollar bigger junk. So I was determined to to do it better than all the other experiments...
This 75,000 btu heater will bring it from 35/40 degrees to t-shirt comfortable in 25 minutes. It doesn't come on often and isn't smelly or noisy. I guarantee I'll never install anything else. Gas heat is hard to beat IMHO....and much cheaper to operate than my front shop electric furnace.
Good luck..Stan
Last edited by Stan's Customs; 12-26-2010 at 06:41 AM.