300hp to 350hp
#21
Pro
I did it, and really happy with the results. Someone in the past had installed 2.02 intake valves, but left the stock 1.50 exhausts, so my good friend who owns a local machine shop (yes, a a good friend to have) discovered this, the decision was easier. I got an L79 cam, he put in Keith Black 11:1's and 1.60 exhaust valves. I located a nice 490 intake and 8" harmonic balancer (you will need a new timing chain cover). I used 1965 2-1/2" exhaust manifolds. I never totaled the cost, but $2000 tops. The biggest problem I have is worrying about blowing it up, because it is, like yours, the original motor, and the temptation to wind it up is irresistible. I am now considering building another SB, in order to save this for the future, whenever somebody wants to restore it. One thing is for sure, I will install a 5-speed. I still kick myself for not doing it when I did the motor 2 years ago. Yes, I kept all of the stock parts. Good luck on the build.
#22
Drifting
the differences are
compression 11:1 dome piston vs vs 10.25:1 flat tops
valves 2.02 intakes vs 1.94
camshaft
intake manifold
harmonic balancer
valvle covers
you'd be best served changing the intake and valve covers for looks, and replacing the camshaft with one designed for the lower compression of the 300 horse motor.
compression 11:1 dome piston vs vs 10.25:1 flat tops
valves 2.02 intakes vs 1.94
camshaft
intake manifold
harmonic balancer
valvle covers
you'd be best served changing the intake and valve covers for looks, and replacing the camshaft with one designed for the lower compression of the 300 horse motor.
Sorry.... didn't realize I was being redundant.
#23
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Don't you think a crate 350/350 ZZ4 would be a better purchase. By the time you get all those parts in the original block you will have almost as much as a crate bow tie and your original numbers matching numbers motor is now bastardized.
Sorry.... didn't realize I was being redundant.
Sorry.... didn't realize I was being redundant.
there is something magical about the 327... the 302... the 409... the 427
it's just a hot rod engine. the 350 is a great motor, the 383 and 406 give you much more usuable power, but there is no romance in the displacement. and to me, that counts for something.
just one man's opinion
#24
Drifting
I put the 350 hp cam in my 300 hp when I went through my '65. In hindsight, I'd rather have the 300 hp cam back, better low rpm torque with the 300 hp in my opinion. I think I've seen some graphs posted on this forum in the past showing the hp/torque comparison between the 300 hp and the 350 hp 327's. The first quote above is right on in that regard in my opinion. Unless you plan on doing a lot of driving above the 5,000 or so rpm range, I think in the long run you'll be better satisfied with the 300 hp engine.
If you want "get up and go, Narlee is right on also, might as well save the original and drop in a crate from GM. My $0.02 worth . . . .
If you want "get up and go, Narlee is right on also, might as well save the original and drop in a crate from GM. My $0.02 worth . . . .
#25
Le Mans Master
I agree with some of the above post's to pull the original drivetrain, set it aside and work your imagination. Heck, go with a Keisler 5 or 6 speed tranny while you're at it. It's all reversible for possible best resale if needed. Don't hack into the original wiring harness though. Best to enjoy the hobby the way want it now, rather than worry about other thing's you may not even be around for later.
#26
Racer
No one has mentioned advancing the "151" camshaft. In several other forums, it has been advised to advance the cam 4 degrees to give the cam more low end. This would seem to work with the 300 HP set up without changing anything else. Just my thoughts.
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The 151 cam has plenty of low end.
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Don't mess with your tranny or rear end.
You have the perfect combo!
An M20/3.36 has a lower final ratio in first than a close ratio M21/3.70 combo, and in 4th it's actually usable on the freeway.
If you do the math, the M20/3.36 is the same as an M21/3.90(if Chevy made one) in first.
DT
You have the perfect combo!
An M20/3.36 has a lower final ratio in first than a close ratio M21/3.70 combo, and in 4th it's actually usable on the freeway.
If you do the math, the M20/3.36 is the same as an M21/3.90(if Chevy made one) in first.
DT
#29
Pro
Don't mess with your tranny or rear end.
You have the perfect combo!
An M20/3.36 has a lower final ratio in first than a close ratio M21/3.70 combo, and in 4th it's actually usable on the freeway.
If you do the math, the M20/3.36 is the same as an M21/3.90(if Chevy made one) in first.
DT
You have the perfect combo!
An M20/3.36 has a lower final ratio in first than a close ratio M21/3.70 combo, and in 4th it's actually usable on the freeway.
If you do the math, the M20/3.36 is the same as an M21/3.90(if Chevy made one) in first.
DT
#30
Drifting
no, actually I don't
there is something magical about the 327... the 302... the 409... the 427
it's just a hot rod engine. the 350 is a great motor, the 383 and 406 give you much more usuable power, but there is no romance in the displacement. and to me, that counts for something.
just one man's opinion
there is something magical about the 327... the 302... the 409... the 427
it's just a hot rod engine. the 350 is a great motor, the 383 and 406 give you much more usuable power, but there is no romance in the displacement. and to me, that counts for something.
just one man's opinion
To this day I think the 327 motor is the best combination of bore and stroke GM ever produced. Any 327 I had back in the day was a joy to drive regardless of the horsepower.
I am swapping out a non stock and tired 350 in my 66 for a 468 BB motor. It's been a while since I had that much horsepower and like the original poster, I'd like a little (or a lot) more zip in the old vette.
I also have a 427 sitting on an engine stand waiting for the right car or perhaps a swap in my 67 Camaro.
I love all the flavors of old Chevy iron.
On a side note. A close friend in town does a lot of LSx swaps in mid years and late model vettes. I'm starting to warm up to the LS motors these days.
#32
I don't think I read that a good solid lifter cam would give the higher rpm's that it sounds like your looking for that SBC sound and feel. Lots of good suggestions have been made that combined with this one would do the job.