Dave K.

It must be only me. I feel the penality is stiff as well, but he knew it when he left that this could be the result. Of course this is one of the reasons I chose, on my personal level, not to become that involved in the NCRS. But, I will not leave them and I encourage all that have an interest in these cars to join. I don't really care about over spray in the wrong area. I only really care about Corvettes, how they were built and how they can be maintained. I personally am an originality "freak", but that is for me to decide. The car titled in my name says one thing,"it is MINE". Don't forget and what you do with yours, is yours to do, because it is "YOURS". If you chose to enter a society and you want to play by their rules, don't complain that you were pointed out and punished by ignoring those rules. I have some Grief with the NCRS as well. I also have Grief with the Girl Scouts, American Cancer Society, etc. It is not a perfect world! If it were, everyone would be like me, as I am perfect. I have been involved with the NCRS for a long time. I was even at the very first meet, but didn't join for about 1 yr. later. I am member 861. I have seen the growing pains and joys, they have gone through. One thing to me has to be remembered, the NCRS is keeper of the flame on how these cars left the factory. Is there a better, more recognized association doing it?

Larry N. Johnson

So for these extra safety features:



Would my car be



??

OldKarz

I am not a member nor do I desire to be a member. Seems there is a lot of good things at NCRS. Hard to believe that NCRS would do that to a long time member. It is their loss and CF"S gain, as we will have you "here" more often!

kellsdad

I've owned Corvettes since 1973 but never had an interest in the NCRS and don't know much about it beyound what's been posted here. I am curious about the magnitude of the punishment. Are there other infractions that call for lesser or greater punishments? In other words, on a scale ranging from leaving a fingerprint on someone else's car to screwing the judge's wife while he's judging your car, where does leaving the field early fall?

Frankie the Fink

I've had to leave car shows, judged and otherwise, and swap meets early for a variety of reasons over the years. Emergencies in a couple of cases.

I serious doubt that Roy endangered anyone. There is no more challenging experience than leaving Old Town Kissimmee, FL early on a Saturday night weaving around inebriated spectators, misbehaved children running around, couples dancing in the show area to the '50s/'60s deejay, the occasional fan that's trying to lean in the passenger window to talk while you are moving, foreign vacationers wandering around that don't have a clue, etc, etc.. You just have to be careful and observant.

Roy's car is not in the shape that it is in, for as long as it has been, over the miles he has driven, because he is unsafe. He clearly broke a rule, knowingly it seems, but out of all the comments this one seemed off base to me.

ml1955

I let my NCRS membership lapse, my '55 is finished, I am not much of a club joining person. I'll still stay in touch with Roy ( saw your car at the Mopar A&W event!) I was right behind you in my white '55.

I am now building a VW bug for fun, I don't see this kind of anger on posts on the Samba! Chill out people.

amtronic1

This board has a neat feature -- you can go here:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/prof...?do=ignorelist

and type in a members name and you don't have to see their NCRS hyperbole anymore!
It's a good thing.


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a560156

Welcome to CF.

03 black 6 spd Coupe

Hello Roy. Sorry to hear about what happened. I've been a member for 31 years. I haven't been real active for the last 26 years because of raising 4 kids, but now they are all in college, and I finally have some personal time again for my vettes. I read the TDB regularly now, and have attended a couple NCRS meets. I have seen a drastic change in NCRS, that may not have been as noticeable if I had been exposed to it more gradually. M.L. Young and Sam Foltz would be shaking their heads. It's a shame.
Thanks again for all the help you've given me on the TDB.

a560156

Vette Daddy

Originally Posted by Sam Kalmuk
I guess they missed the Boat on this one...who else knows more about the '53-'55 Vettes than Roy. Bet you can't name one .....

Posted by MIKE WARD
On this site? You're right. Roy's knowledge is hard to match. The other dozens/hundreds of knowledgeable people on 53-55 that I've met via the NCRS don't come here.

I wonder why?

Mike, sorry, but I have to call you out on this one.
Kind of like calling the kettle black, IMO. You bash the CF in the same manner that you take offense to about the NCRS bashing. Just as bad.

I frequent both forums, NCRS and CF. My niche is the 53-55 area as well. Roy is the 55 authority, hands down and he will be missed on the NCRS Board, greatly.

I enjoy both forums. While I may not agree with every rule, I try not to bash either one. You should really try to do the same. When you bash the CF, it makes the NCRS guys look exactly like what they are being bashed for on this forum.

JohnZ

I always find it interesting that when one of these NCRS-bashing threads gets rolling, 80-90% of the "bashers" know little or nothing about the NCRS, or are members who have never judged or had their car judged, and aren't familiar with the procedures that have been developed and in place for over 25 years to keep the judging field safe for the participants and spectators.

This "leaving early without permission" rule isn't unique to NCRS meets - I'll quote from the Bloomington Gold owner's advisories package:

"When judging of your car is complete, your car must stay on the field until 4:00 PM or until all judging is completed. There will be no exceptions granted even if the owner has a car in the auction. You will be disqualified if you leave the Judging Field before judging is completed without permission and an official escort."

If you can't take an adult view of rules and understand why they exist, that's unfortunate. They've been in place for decades, in spite of the torch-carrying villagers who don't know what's going on.

MidYearRoadster

Ok..heres my last 2cents worth on this subject....

I think the OP could have presented the facts a bit better in his first posting, and being a member of that organization he knew the penalties and thus should not be complaining about it on another forum.

I am just as guilty as anyone else here as afar as not knowing everything the NCRS does and or their rules, a result of being belittled when I first got my car by a NCRS know it all. That sort of turned me off on the NCRS right then and there. Anyway, most of us do not know much about them and can only relate to what we hear and have heard. This post doesnt make things much better but as it went along you find out that yes the rule has been in place for a long time and we know why..safety....and we know the OP broke the rule he was aware of and seems to be more ticked off that he cannot get on the website and forum he enjoys...well...he should have known better I guess although it does seem a bit far fetched to block someone from the website. This post has set off a wildfire that keeps building up. I feel we should just move on, keep the bashing to ourselves..me included and end the post. This horse as they say has been beaten to death. We all like different aspects of the hobby...somoe drive some dont some chase numbers some modify...does it really matter !!! I post in the C6 section at times all all you see there is complaining.. jeeezus enough already if you dont like your car trade it....and if we dont like some rules then dont join that club or org. its really very simple...enjoy your car while you can...we dont live forever and this has really become a petty argument... Peace to all.....Save the wave.....go wash your car.

Frankie the Fink

I don't know if this is ALL of the Bloomington rule John, but disqualified from that event is entirely reasonable....banned from everything (including the web site) for 15 months is 'over the top'....
Of course maybe there is a "three strikes" rule for multiple transgressions.

Geez, I'm having a flash back to my time serving with the US Dept of Justice in DC...enough already.

wmf62

Frank
is that an oxymoron; 'justice' and 'DC' in the same sentence???
Bill

gee, this is more fun than NCRS bashing (which i was a member of before i became bored with it...)

jimh_1962

BTW, where is the beat the horse smilie?

wmf62

QUOTE=james Hufford;1575120573]BTW, where is the beat the horse smilie? [/QUOTE]

alive and well...

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Bill

DZAUTO

John,
I am, and have been, an NCRS member for over 30yrs. I am aware of, and fully understand, the NCRS rules. They are the established rules and I don't argue with them. Period!
My 56 HAS BEEN judged, and I have judged a few times. I have ZERO grief with the judging standards. I have ZERO grief with many of the members.
What I DO have grief with is some of the over excess **** retentive members who either are, or have behaved, like plain ole jerks-----------------------AND NCRS HAS DONE LITTLE TO NOTHING TO CORRECT THIS TYPE OF PERSON/ATTITUDE.
Some of them could use some "mule" treatment. That is, a swift whack right between the ears with a 2x4, to either get their attention, or, bring about an attitude adjustment.
There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with a car that is an immaculately correct survivor or has been perfectly restored. Personally, I love to see those cars.
But there IS SOMETHING WRONG when the owner of a "personalized" car is treated as though he/she is an absolute idiot because they prefer Crager wheels on their car or prefer to have a healthy BB instead of the base 4bl 3sp that came from the factory. There is no justification for treating people like that, but yet there are times when NCRS members do that.
Now, did Roy screw up? Yep. Is the penalty excessive? Man, that's a hard pill to swalow. I'm not making that call.

Tom Parsons

wmf62

and that, my friend, is one of the reasons i'm no longer a member (#1233)
Bill

Sxrxrnr

A warning and a modest sanction for a first offense charged against a long time valued member and supporter would have gotten the message out. This sounds too close to cutting off the hand of a first time shoplifter.

Perhaps however there is more to the story that we do not know, but given the one side that we've heard, someone at NCRS in the know might post a full report. Perhaps it might become apparent that the wrong member(s) was/were exiled (for abuse of authority).