Scott333

I was just about set to order the Jeep Steering box that Lou and Silverslashstreak and many others here have reported on in great detail when I saw the Borgeson Thread:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...onversion.html


I then found the following unit offered at Eckler's:
http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?p...dept%5Fid=1838


Does anyone know what the Eckler's product is (I'm guessing they are re-selling someone else's product, but I don't know...)?

Has anyone actually used the Borgeson power steering box on a midyear Corvette yet?


I've been leaning toward the Jeep box for a long time now, given the positive reports and a 'don't fix it if it ain't broke' perspective, but if I understand right, the Borgeson is a GM product?

Is Eckler's just packaging the Borgeson power steering box, or is it a different product?

Any thoughts or information is greatly appreciated, as always!

vetsvette2002

67vetteal

Why not put OEM, PS in your car? The Components are easily obtained and work just fine. Probably not as expensive either. I did it to my 67 years ago with excellent results. The Components are the same from 64-82. (or so.). Al W.

wmf62

my guess would be that the OEM slave cylinder type steering is not as 'positive' as a power box.
Bill

Aussi-66

My 66 came with the stock PS, I converted it to the Jeep box which made a huge difference to the feel/drivability of the car. One of best changes I ever made.

Kensmith

Jeff,

What are you offering to CF members? Any kind of discount? I may take on the project this fall since I want to drive during the summer months. Is the box similar to the Jeep box that all rant and rave about?

shft22

Same here, upgraded my PS to the corvette steering box, best upgrade I have done........

BADBIRDCAGE

Al:

Because, having owned and driven both, the factory PS is slower in ratio, less responsive than the power box and you get rid of all that KRAP hanging below your car and subject to leaking.

When you went from manual to factory PS you felt the great difference. Now if you stepped up to the full power box vs the power assisted factory system you would again feel the great positive difference.

Rich

silverslashstreak

Hey Jeff, I have only seen your box in pictures, but it looks very good, something the c2 - c3 chassis has need for a long time. Can you tell us how many turns lock to lock your box is?

Jeff

bweaver999

Okay, I read this thread and am thoroughly confused. I was under the impression that there were two options, stock, or Jeep box. The Jeep box offers better road feel, similar to manual at speed. It sounds like Borgeson is adapting a GM Delphi 600 unit to fit our Vettes as well. Yes I am aware another option is rack and pinion, but these options are less expensive and less intrusive to add.

Does the Borgeson feel more like stock or Jeep? What's the advantage?

What is the "corvette steering box"? Is it stock, Jeep, Borgeson, or something else?

jjtoma

Hello Jeff.

Is PN 999016 the correct conversion kit for a manual 1964. Everything is included?

Thanks

Jim

Scott333

I’m glad this Thread was revived, hopefully someone can help clarify this situation.

I have read many Threads on this subject by Jeff Montgomery (a.k.a. SilverSlashStreak) and others. Then I found what appears to be a nearly identical product (by the same manufacturer?) but which appears to be designed/modified specifically for 63-67 Corvettes, by Borgeson.

Jeff has also mentioned this new box by Borgeson, but I didn’t find any follow-ups:
“This may be a better option now, I just read that Borgeson has designed a replacement box using the Delphi 500 box as a base and they made it a direct bolt up box with no adapting required. Looks good on paper.” (Post 23, http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...my-67-a-2.html)



I’m trying to determine whether to go with the JEEP-BOX that many people here have already used, or whether to go with what might otherwise be called the “newer Jeep-box” that appears to be designed specifically for installation in midyear Corvettes, and has 3 steering ratio options.

The Borgeson catalog shows three “models”, the “NASCAR Gear” appears to be the “right” one:
http://www.who-sells-it.com/cy/borge...9/page-15.html


New 600 Series “NASCAR” Gear
We now offer the “New Generation” 600 series steering gear from Delphi
Saginaw. This gear is a new design, which is lighter, stronger and more
durable than its older brother, the 700 gear. It is available with a 16:1, 14:1 or
12.7:1 ratio. The gear has a 3/4" diameter spline for easy hook up, the same
output spline and the same mounting pad bolt pattern as a 700 gear. The
mounting pattern accommodates both 3 bolt “triangle” pattern and the more
common 3 bolt “L” shape and standard 4 bolt. Please call for more details.
The 600 gear is 5 pounds lighter than a 700 gear
and has been approved by NASCAR.


QUESTION: Is this “600 Series NASCAR Gear” is essentially the SAME PRODUCT as the “Jeep-Box” that is widely recommended here on the Corvette Forum (i.e., same manufacturer, same “series”, same design, etc.) BUT with the option to choose from a 16:1, 14:1 or 12.7:1 steering ratio? The ONLY complaint I have read about the Jeep-Box from a handling perspective is that the tight 12.7:1 steering ratio (compared to the stock 16:1 C2 steering ratio) can make the car a little “twitchy” at highway speed. If the “600 Series NASCAR Gear” is essentially a “Jeep-Box” with a little slower (14:1 or 16:1) steering ratio, then this issue is resolved.

Scott333

For clarification regarding the difference between the "Concept One" box and the Borgeson box, according to the Borgeson Rep (also named Jeff?) in another Thread here on the Forum:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...teering-2.html

Post 33:

edward3090

I have a 67 BB that needed power steering. I bought the ConceptOne box 14:1 ratio. It wasn't real easy to install but it is a great fit. It was in the Corvette Central catalog (part #562439). I'd buy another one.

silverslashstreak

For what it is worth I have been a big proponent of the Jeep conversion for years now, in fact I feel that it is the single best mod you can do for the C2-C3 chassis after over 35 years of modifying them.

I have no direct experience with the Borgeson box, but given the fact that they are using the Delphi 600 system (the one used in the Jeep) and refining it so it is a direct bolt on, that just makes it that much better.


Jeff

Scott333

Hi Jeff, thanks for the replies.

Are you saying the "NASCAR 600" with the selectable steering ratio (12.7:1, 14:1 or 16:1) is NOT a good candidate for use on a 1967 Corvette?



Is the Jeep-Box also a "Delphi 600 gear"?



Does the Borgeson conversion box start out as the "Jeep-Box" before it undergoes significant machining to adapt it for the midyear Corvettes?

jjtoma

Jeff,

Is pn 999016 in stock now. Wondering about lead time for ordering through dealer network.

Thanks again

Jim

grumpy55

NONE of those companies listed has a listing for the conversion kit, let-alone pricing !

Someone please help ?

OOPS, I finally found it at JEGS, by searching "Borgeson 999016" !

1snake

YES they do http://www.summitracing.com/search/?...g-999016&dds=1

jjtoma

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