Competition Adjustment
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Competition Adjustment
Corvettes and Cadillac both get a competition adjustment. Both get more weight and less throttle body opening killing their chances of a race win! It has been happening for the 55 years I have been involved and I still feel it is unfair. Most know stock BMWs, etc. in stock form cannot come close to beating a Corvette in stock form. Most racing associations just can't stand to see American continue to win. Hey, maybe they win because the drivers, crews and teams are better! Sad to see all that effort be pissed away by rule changes in mid season.
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It looks like the PC - Bulls--- is further invading racing. Every body must have a chance of wnniing - handicap the brightest, better equipped, fastest to bring them down to the lowest common denominator. I long for the days when the rules were loosly defined and it was "run what ya brung" and the fastest gets the trophy !
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Corvettes and Cadillac both get a competition adjustment. Both get more weight and less throttle body opening killing their chances of a race win! It has been happening for the 55 years I have been involved and I still feel it is unfair. Most know stock BMWs, etc. in stock form cannot come close to beating a Corvette in stock form. Most racing associations just can't stand to see American continue to win. Hey, maybe they win because the drivers, crews and teams are better! Sad to see all that effort be pissed away by rule changes in mid season.
Jim
Jim
can't run stock engine but Dodge can
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The performance inbalance problem is hard to solve. When the 85/86/87 C4 won all of the Show Room Stock races for 3 years in a row the other manufacturers threatened to leave the series. The solution they kicked Corvette out and the Corvette Challenge was developed by John Powell. When the C5R first entered ALMS competition it didn't do all that well but after a few years they were winning all the GT1 Championships and the number of competitors dropped to 0.
Bill
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The Balance of Performance is really difficult. Actually IMSA/TUDOR has got it pretty close. I'm a little surprised they felt they needed to tweak things once again.
Keep in mind that this is the entertainment business. Every car on the track has to have an equal chance of winning. That's just the way it works.
Richard Newton
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Keep in mind that this is the entertainment business. Every car on the track has to have an equal chance of winning. That's just the way it works.
Richard Newton
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The Balance of Performance is really difficult. Actually IMSA/TUDOR has got it pretty close. I'm a little surprised they felt they needed to tweak things once again.
Keep in mind that this is the entertainment business. Every car on the track has to have an equal chance of winning. That's just the way it works.
Richard Newton
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Keep in mind that this is the entertainment business. Every car on the track has to have an equal chance of winning. That's just the way it works.
Richard Newton
Historic Racing Images
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If they want to make it a drivers race, then driver weight shouldn't be factored for the cars total weight. An overweight person who's out of shape should be at a disadvantage when going against someone who works out, diets, and trains. This is supposed to be a sport...
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Corvettes and Cadillac both get a competition adjustment. Both get more weight and less throttle body opening killing their chances of a race win! It has been happening for the 55 years I have been involved and I still feel it is unfair. Most know stock BMWs, etc. in stock form cannot come close to beating a Corvette in stock form. Most racing associations just can't stand to see American continue to win. Hey, maybe they win because the drivers, crews and teams are better! Sad to see all that effort be pissed away by rule changes in mid season.
Jim
Jim
You know this.....there is more politics in racing than D.C. Well maybe not that much, but not far off.
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Problem is after a while it becomes "entertainment" and to me there is really no reason to watch. I want to see the best team with the best car win.
"Handicapped" racing today is a bit like going to a swimming race where the fastest swimmer has to wear a pair of street shoes and the slow guy gets to wear swim fins. We all know who the fastest one is, but they have to make a "race" out if it so they can have a close "finish" for the folks watching on TV who aren't really interested in the sport.
Racing rules should be the same for everybody. With the present rules it isn't racing, it's just "entertainment" and that's just something that doesn't interest me anymore.
The WWF has a big following and makes a lot of money too, and the results are pretty much just as scripted as racing is today. Sorry if I come off a bit cynical, but giving out different weights and restrictor plate sizes to "equalize" the competition isn't real racing, at least not IMHO.
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Racing without rules to equalize cars is pointless. Everyone would just run the fastest car and it becomes a spec series.
Run what you brung type rules are even worse, it becomes a spending war (both $ and time) that results in a few interesting cars, but boring races.
Run what you brung type rules are even worse, it becomes a spending war (both $ and time) that results in a few interesting cars, but boring races.
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So very true...
Problem is after a while it becomes "entertainment" and to me there is really no reason to watch. I want to see the best team with the best car win.
"Handicapped" racing today is a bit like going to a swimming race where the fastest swimmer has to wear a pair of street shoes and the slow guy gets to wear swim fins. We all know who the fastest one is, but they have to make a "race" out if it so they can have a close "finish" for the folks watching on TV who aren't really interested in the sport.
Racing rules should be the same for everybody. With the present rules it isn't racing, it's just "entertainment" and that's just something that doesn't interest me anymore.
The WWF has a big following and makes a lot of money too, and the results are pretty much just as scripted as racing is today. Sorry if I come off a bit cynical, but giving out different weights and restrictor plate sizes to "equalize" the competition isn't real racing, at least not IMHO.
Problem is after a while it becomes "entertainment" and to me there is really no reason to watch. I want to see the best team with the best car win.
"Handicapped" racing today is a bit like going to a swimming race where the fastest swimmer has to wear a pair of street shoes and the slow guy gets to wear swim fins. We all know who the fastest one is, but they have to make a "race" out if it so they can have a close "finish" for the folks watching on TV who aren't really interested in the sport.
Racing rules should be the same for everybody. With the present rules it isn't racing, it's just "entertainment" and that's just something that doesn't interest me anymore.
The WWF has a big following and makes a lot of money too, and the results are pretty much just as scripted as racing is today. Sorry if I come off a bit cynical, but giving out different weights and restrictor plate sizes to "equalize" the competition isn't real racing, at least not IMHO.
Even one of Nascar's darlings (#14) said Nascar was WWF on his radio show.
Of course the wheels yanked him into the trailer and wacked his pee-pee. Then reminded him of the millions he was pocketing.
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The powers that be may have an interest in the entertainment business. I suggest they go to Hollywood. I had rather see the vehicles on the ragged edge of performance capabilities. But, as in all things contemporary, it would appear that even racing is falling victim to 'dumbing down'. Back off achievement until everyone has a shot. What a way to progress.
#17
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Racing without rules to equalize cars is pointless. Everyone would just run the fastest car and it becomes a spec series.
Run what you brung type rules are even worse, it becomes a spending war (both $ and time) that results in a few interesting cars, but boring races.
Run what you brung type rules are even worse, it becomes a spending war (both $ and time) that results in a few interesting cars, but boring races.
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The performance inbalance problem is hard to solve. When the 85/86/87 C4 won all of the Show Room Stock races for 3 years in a row the other manufacturers threatened to leave the series. The solution they kicked Corvette out and the Corvette Challenge was developed by John Powell. When the C5R first entered ALMS competition it didn't do all that well but after a few years they were winning all the GT1 Championships and the number of competitors dropped to 0.
Bill
Bill