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Old 04-15-2004, 01:15 AM   #1
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Default Rear speakrs yea or nay?

This goes for Corvette only- or any other 2 seater, also this is more targeted towards the 'audiophiles' and 'enthusiasts' with aftermarket stereos. Do you use rear speakers? So far I have not. However, I have the necessary speakers and amps and even a EQ/crossover sitting around to put them in at a minimal cost wth just some wires and time. I'd definately NOT use tweeters in the rear to screw with the imaging, but I am entertaining the idea of using mids only in the rear to add some depth and perhaps total volume to the system.

I may even put on a signal procssor (like Alesis Nanoverb from pro audio world for those who know of it) to delay the rear speakers for realistic 'depth' rather then just the rears "playing the same as the fronts but just not as loud."
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Old 04-15-2004, 01:39 AM   #2
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Stereo means 2. Black and white issue for me.


I'd only use rears if I had some kind of 5.1 thing or car theatre... goin on.
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Old 04-15-2004, 03:09 AM   #3
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Default Re: Rear speakrs yea or nay? (Kale)

I am with Kale on this and to add another point. Even with a time delay the rear speakers in a C5 are way to close to your head. I left mine out and went as far as filling in the speaker opening so the car looks like it has only front speakers.
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Old 04-15-2004, 07:32 AM   #4
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So Kale... No need to upgrade the rear speakers to see an inprovement???? Or will I see an inprovement!!!!? Is it worth it to drop some Infinity speakers in the back, etc????

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Old 04-15-2004, 08:18 AM   #5
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with Kale and Randy.
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Old 04-15-2004, 10:22 AM   #6
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since the fronts tend to be buried in the floor and are small they don't handle a lot of power - I can't imagine not using rear speakers ??
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Old 04-15-2004, 11:51 AM   #7
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Well, its not as simple as turning the rears off in a factory system.

You have to have some good quality components with a decent amount of power up front.

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Old 04-15-2004, 12:11 PM   #8
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since the fronts tend to be buried in the floor and are small they don't handle a lot of power - I can't imagine not using rear speakers ??
Not sure what Gen you have, but on the C5, the speakers can be quite large. 8" drivers along with mids can be fit in the doors and the tweeter stuffed somewhere else. They're also not in the floor. I'm about to put a 8" 3 way system in mine, still piecing out components though.
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Since I have the smaller components Polk 5 1/4 in my early C4 doors, the rear Polk 6x9 really fill in the sound.
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Old 04-15-2004, 02:03 PM   #10
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still nay
I am not familiar with a C4 but with modifactions, I sure you can come up with a way to get bigger speakers up front. As Randy said, the C5 door space is HUGE
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I'm about to put a 3 way system in mine, still piecing out components though.
Awesome. I did one install with JL XR650CXi 3 way comps and it was killer.
With an 8" driver in each door, you could almost get away w/out running a sub.

But as far as rear speakers go. I say no unless you are running a screen with 5.1 and need them for surround.

I've got a set of MBs in the rear my car because of the DVD screen and it makes it easier to sell the car if they are there. Most people are not on board with just a stereo set up. But when I'm not watching movies, I set the fader all the way to the front.

If you have extra equipment, spend the time to run a front center channel speaker. I have yet to see one in a C5. That would be


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Old 04-15-2004, 04:52 PM   #12
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"If you have extra equipment, spend the time to run a front center channel speaker. I have yet to see one in a C5. That would be "

Interesting.....
I bet that would be a bitch to put in
I'll let you be the first
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Old 04-15-2004, 05:53 PM   #13
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As they said before, stereo is 2 speakers, no rear fill.
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Old 04-15-2004, 06:12 PM   #14
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Clarion makes a half din center channel unit.
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Old 04-15-2004, 06:33 PM   #15
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wonder whats the best way about doing a center speaker. I'm thinking perhaps to cut a hole in the dash and you can put one in the middle up there. I also have no experience with center channels in cars, but I'm sure with the right setup and signal processing it can be done well.

I want to go 8" in the doors cause I listen to alot of club style music. On my DJ system, that 100-300 hz chest slamming mid-bass (I got plenty of 100 and below in the car, but thats rumbly bass) is easy to come by with the 18" subs and 15" mids and huge ported enclosures. I'm trying to simulate this as best as possible in the car. But 8" has lousy midrange dispersion, so a midrange driver will be necessary. I'm still on the fence on where/how to mount the tweeters (and what tweeters to use). I tried the in the door pulls but I couldnt get them to look right. Maybe the A pillars.
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Old 04-15-2004, 06:39 PM   #16
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Clarion makes a half din center channel unit.
and from what I have read about it If I remember rightit has five 1/2" drivers?
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Old 04-15-2004, 06:55 PM   #17
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How about no rear speakers with....

Kicker Resolution Midbass http://www.kicker.com/ShowPage.cfm?f...&menu=MIDTWEET

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CDT Braxials http://www.cdtaudio.com/Braxial.htm

up front.
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Old 04-15-2004, 07:41 PM   #18
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Here is a few more details about speakers and speaker placement. First...stereo is left and right only there is no rear is stereo. Best way to think of it is when you go to a concert do you sit with your face to the stage or your back? And at said concert do any of the band actually move behind you? Now onto speaker placement. Ideally you want to have both the left and right front speakers placed at an equal distance from your ears. When the speakers are an equal distance the sound will balance and help create the sound stage. To better the sound stage speaker angle must then be utilized. Take for example a high end competion vechicle. Kick panel speakers will most often be a midrange and tweeter. More often than not the two kick panels will not have the same angle due to obstructions...drivers and passenger seats, center counsel, dash board, the drivers legs and so on. I personally have a problem with my car when my arm is on the steering wheel at 12 Oclock I loose the drivers tweeter. Now onto rear speakers. Being that stereo is only left and right there is no true information going to the rear speakers meant for them only. That can and often does cause problems with your front stage. In the C5 it is worse since the rear speakers are so much closer to your head than the front speakers. If you are trying to get the most out of your front stage the rears would have to be barely playing. Same thing applies to a center channel...there is no center information recorded on a CD for a center channel. Yes there are processors but those are using the left and right channel to determine what the processor "thinks" should play in the center. So in essence they don't work properly. Back to competion scene...many years ago every car had a center channel. Now they don't, I have not installed one in a car for many, many years (for the purpose of sound quality). This being all said if you are trying to achive maximum sound stage in a C5 leave the rear speakers out. If you are trying to achive max volume put them in. If you like rear speakers in your car...put them in it is your car.

Everything above pertains to stereo audio only. If you are using DVD audio or a DVD movie with 5.1 then rear speakers and center channel are neccessary for proper effect. A DVD is recorded with front left and right rear left and right sub and center information on it. The 5.1 processor seperates all that information and sends it to the proper speakers. A surround sound processor takes left and right stereo and sends what it "thinks" should go to all the speakers.
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Old 04-16-2004, 02:37 AM   #19
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Hmm interesting. I dont think a 5.25 and a 8 will fit in the door though. I have thought about using an 8" midbass and then using a high quality 4" coax. Those kicker resolutions look awesome, probbly a little pricey too. I may use a Partsexpress driver, like Vifa...
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Not sure what Gen you have, but on the C5, the speakers can be quite large. 8" drivers along with mids can be fit in the doors and the tweeter stuffed somewhere else. They're also not in the floor. I'm about to put a 8" 3 way system in mine, still piecing out components though.
I have a 94 C4.
We are stuck with the 5.25 (max) in the floor kick panels so you will loose a lot.

Thanks for the C5 info as I am not familuar with their set up and didn't know you guys could put in such a large speaker up front.
This does make a big difference.

Guess this is my "learn something new every day" item for today
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