C3 General General C3 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

The Word Original

Old 11-22-2012, 10:26 PM
  #1  
news2me
Racer
Thread Starter
 
news2me's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2012
Location: Staten Island New York
Posts: 319
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts

Default The Word Original

I have a 77' thats completely stock with Numbers Matching Engine and Drive Train. The Interior is all Original. It only has 38,000 miles on it. Looking at the car it looks the way it left the factory. Yes, the brakes. belts, hoses, radiator and the other BS has been done over the last 35. The only things that has been changed on the car is an After Market Radio, The BF Goodrich Tires and a Repainted the Original Code 80 color about 12 years ago..... The question I have is I want to get a Show Board. And will it be fair to use the word "ORIGINAL" on the Show board, since I don't have the factory radio, tires and it's a repaint. But it is painted to code and tires needed to be replaced.... CAN I CALL IT "ORIGINAL"

Last edited by news2me; 11-22-2012 at 10:39 PM.
Old 11-22-2012, 11:28 PM
  #2  
exposingtime
Burning Brakes
 
exposingtime's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: Pinecrest FL
Posts: 1,186
Received 38 Likes on 35 Posts
2015 C3 of the Year Finalist

Default

Call it NCRS gold certified.

Just call it unrestored. Repaint is not a restoration to me. All of the others qualify as maintenance to me.
Old 11-22-2012, 11:47 PM
  #3  
ptroxx
Race Director
 
ptroxx's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: Henderson Nv-Rohnert Park/Sonoma C o. ca/born in NY Rockaway Beach.
Posts: 13,872
Received 544 Likes on 384 Posts

Default

PICS...lets see pics of the car.in and out ..
Old 11-23-2012, 12:43 AM
  #4  
Mike Ward
Race Director
 
Mike Ward's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2001
Posts: 15,892
Likes: 0
Received 29 Likes on 27 Posts

Default

Since you already said 'numbers matching' which is pretty ambiguous, may as well use 'all original' too.
Old 11-23-2012, 02:41 AM
  #5  
scottyp99
Le Mans Master
 
scottyp99's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2008
Location: Oxford MA-----You just lost the game!!!!
Posts: 5,948
Likes: 0
Received 62 Likes on 52 Posts

Default

Here's what the dictionary has to say about the word "original". Let your conscience be your guide. I think you know the answer to your question, but you're looking for someone to tell you it's OK.


Keep the shiny side up!
Scott
Old 11-23-2012, 07:40 AM
  #6  
Alan 71
Team Owner
 
Alan 71's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: Westminster Maryland
Posts: 30,173
Likes: 0
Received 2,878 Likes on 2,515 Posts

Default

Hi,
Just curious.... how can repainting a car NOT be restoration?
Regards,
Alan
Old 11-23-2012, 07:53 AM
  #7  
stingr4y
Racer
 
stingr4y's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Posts: 287
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Perhaps specify "original paint color", if you are concerned about it. I agree that the repaint could certainly be a restoration.

The radio and tires should be obvious though.

I tried making a sign for mine and gave up when I realized everything I put on there might be questioned somehow.

good luck

Last edited by stingr4y; 11-23-2012 at 07:58 AM. Reason: better wording
Old 11-23-2012, 09:19 AM
  #8  
Tim H
Safety Car
 
Tim H's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2000
Location: Southern Indiana
Posts: 3,593
Received 103 Likes on 69 Posts

Default

I would rather have a car that someone kept up on maintenance than a pretty non original paint job.
Paint is a part number on the cowl tag so its part of the car and if the body has been repainted then its no longer original.
You might as well up grade the engine into the 21st century with some new belts and hose and add some mags and headers, it won't be worth any less.
Old 11-23-2012, 09:33 AM
  #9  
Don Rickles
Race Director
 
Don Rickles's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2005
Posts: 10,050
Received 180 Likes on 134 Posts
2018 Corvette of Year Finalist
2017 C3 of Year

Default

Exterior= repainted
Interior= replaced radio
Mechanical= belts, hoses, plugs, wires, filters, radiator, replaced
Chassis=Tires replaced, brakes, not much else mentioned? Shocks?

In all fairness to the all original car, what would be your answer?

WB
Old 11-23-2012, 09:38 AM
  #10  
Mike Ward
Race Director
 
Mike Ward's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2001
Posts: 15,892
Likes: 0
Received 29 Likes on 27 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Alan 71
Hi,
Just curious.... how can repainting a car NOT be restoration?
Regards,
Alan
Not like you to be opening a can of worms Alan........

It could be argued that the paint, although possibly identical to the original colour applied by the OEM, is not the same type, manufacturer, method of application, level of gloss, etc. etc. etc.

I find the present NCRS flight judging rules to be very forgiving in this area.
Old 11-23-2012, 10:25 AM
  #11  
gq82
Safety Car
 
gq82's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 1999
Location: AnyTown NJ
Posts: 4,930
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 7 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15

Default

On a show sign I would call it "Mostly Original".....a modern radio gives away the fact it's "All Original".
Old 11-23-2012, 10:29 AM
  #12  
Brooklinite
Burning Brakes
 
Brooklinite's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2006
Location: Kawartha Lakes and PEC, Ontario
Posts: 1,144
Received 19 Likes on 15 Posts

Default

'Original' is misused so frequently that it is basically meaningless.
Old 11-23-2012, 10:32 AM
  #13  
Easy Mike
Team Owner
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Easy Mike's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2000
Location: Southbound
Posts: 38,928
Likes: 0
Received 1,468 Likes on 1,247 Posts
Cruise-In II Veteran

Default

You can call it anything you want to. It's your car. Why not say it's original except for the aftermarket stereo? Better yet, put the stock radio back in it and you won't lose any sleep over what term you use.

Old 11-23-2012, 11:07 AM
  #14  
540 vette
Race Director
 
540 vette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2002
Location: No Where USA
Posts: 11,122
Received 298 Likes on 212 Posts

Default

I think original and 77 vette don't mean much. If you think it makes it worth more I don't think so. When I was looking for a vette to modify I chose a 77 because it will be another 75 years before they are a collector car.

I don't mean to burst your bubble if you were trying to keep it all original to keep any value. I would make it how I want it to be and not worry.
Old 11-23-2012, 11:22 AM
  #15  
Easy Mike
Team Owner
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Easy Mike's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2000
Location: Southbound
Posts: 38,928
Likes: 0
Received 1,468 Likes on 1,247 Posts
Cruise-In II Veteran

Default

Originally Posted by 540 vette
...I think original and 77 vette don't mean much...
It means a lot to people who have original 77s.

Old 11-23-2012, 11:24 AM
  #16  
irvan
Racer
 
irvan's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: Lawrence Kansas
Posts: 263
Received 88 Likes on 50 Posts

Default

i can't remember who said it years ago but they are only original once, and i think that's before repaint, etc.
Old 11-23-2012, 11:31 AM
  #17  
7T1vette
Team Owner
 
7T1vette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2006
Location: Crossville TN
Posts: 36,599
Received 2,713 Likes on 2,271 Posts

Default

You can't call it "unrestored" if it's had another paint job. And, you can't call it a "survivor" since lots of parts have been changed due to age/wear and you have a different paint job.

Why don't you just say that it is in 'factory' configuration with the original interior and the same paint color.

P.S. I interpret the term "original" as meaning that a specific part/piece came with THAT car from the factory.

Get notified of new replies

To The Word Original

Old 11-23-2012, 11:47 AM
  #18  
qwank
Le Mans Master
 
qwank's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2011
Location: Southern NH
Posts: 5,943
Received 57 Likes on 44 Posts

Default

Just call it "stock"
Old 11-23-2012, 12:01 PM
  #19  
AdamMeh
Melting Slicks
 
AdamMeh's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2011
Location: Peoria Arizona
Posts: 3,372
Received 212 Likes on 113 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by qwank
Just call it "stock"
Seems more fitting given the changes / work that has been done. Would love to see pics of it!

Adam
Old 11-23-2012, 12:31 PM
  #20  
vettebuyer6369
Administrator
 
vettebuyer6369's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2000
Location: About 1100 miles from where I call home. Blue lives matter.
Posts: 51,360
Received 5,320 Likes on 2,769 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by scottyp99
Here's what the dictionary has to say about the word "original". Let your conscience be your guide. I think you know the answer to your question, but you're looking for someone to tell you it's OK.

I agree with this. Obviously a car thats been repainted is not "original" according the the English language we see mangled and misused every day. Replacing parts also is not original. This isn't a hard question.

Describe the car as "mostly original design," "stock configuration," etc. There's nothing stock about the radio. "Almost completely stock" seems like a pretty good description.

Clearly there's no rules and you can do whatever you want, but as Easy Mike pointed out, when you park next to someone who actually has an original car, you'll end up thinking about it.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: The Word Original



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:57 AM.